Manny Pacqiao should not be top 5 p4p

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1. Mayweather
2. Donaire
3. Ward
4. Martinez
5. Bradley
6. Pacquiao
7. Marquez
8. Walad Klitschko
9. Gamboa
10. Froch
I have him at 6. A win over Marquez could put him at 2.

 

Gamboa hasn't fought in over a calendar year. To most, he doesn't qualify.

And even if he did, woah man, gotta question him above Moreno, Froch, John, Gonzalez.

Gamboa is much closer to Ricky Burns than he is Sergio and Donaire, that's for sure.

 

Hi Lance


Percieved is exactly what p4p is about. How the hell else is one supposed to prove Floyd Mayweather is a better fighter than Wlad or Andre Ward etc? That's right Lance, we percieve it from watching thier skills. (but yes, results and **** do play a part in forming one's perception)

Results and level of competition is how divisional rankings are compiled, such as who's the best MW, or WW, or whatever. They can fight each other to actually prove who's the best, unlike most p4p entrants (in a world where #1 and #2 arent in the same division).

 

Manny isn't in any true boxing fan's Top 5 Pound-for-Pound list.

He had an impressive stretch of fights for approximately two years, but two years of work doesn't catapult someone to the top spot in their sport. Also, surrounding Manny is a massive cloud of steroid/PED allegations, catchweights, refusal to take certain fights, and a whole lot of deception.

Manny Pacquiao is a good fighter and one of the better fighters at 147, but he's no higher than 7 or 8 in terms of Pound-for-Pound.

If I catch heat for this post, I will only respond to intellectual/legible posts. Don't be a "FloydTard or *******." Both of those goons are overrated. Sorry :-((

 

I don't see how beating JMM for the first time in four fights justifies a move from 6 to 2. Technically, Pac's 2-0-1 versus JMM, but Pac also technically lost to Bradley :think

If Pac absolutely dominates JMM, I'll give him some credit, but keep in mind JMM is ****ing 39 years old. He's bound to get wrecked sooner than later, whether it's Pac or not. No matter how well or decisively Pac beats JMM, I can't place him above Ward/Sergio/Floyd or Wlad.

 

Honestly, with 142 posts here on ESB, do you think you're really better in putting fighters in the pound for pound list than...say....the panel of people in the Ring Magazine? :shock:

 

I have to admit that after klitschko it's kind of a stretch.

 

It would depend on how Pacquiao beats him. A convincing win over Marquez could push his rankings up. Of course an impresive win over Pacquiao could push Marquez up too.

 

I gotta put Pac at 5 at the very least...i do not believe he is top three for sure but i have him at a solid 5

Floyd
Ward
Martinez
JMM
Pac

 

After the top 8 it is super thin...

I just realized I used Roman Gonzalez as a measuring stick for Gamboa, but I myself question heavily when I see Roman Gonzalez on some peoples' top 10.

I really think the final two spots belong to any of: Vitali, Moreno, Froch

Then I think there is a gap until you get to the next tier of elite fighters: John, (inactive Gamboa), Gonzalez, Viloria, Geale, Mares, Cotto, Dawson, Salido

 

I've learned to ignore the Ring's ratings since they still have him ahead of Marquez, refused to move him when he lost to Bradley, and have him tied with the real P4P #1 fighter. They act on their feeeeeeeeelings worse than a bunch of menstruating women.

 

I can tell you this: Anyone that freely accepts a mainstream boxing pound-for-pound list (such as The Ring, !Yahoo, or ESPN) with any credibility is a fool. Those lists are merely popularity contests with a small dose of boxing. The panel of journalists that make up those lists are casual boxing fans. For example, my personal favorite, Kevin Iole of !Yahoo. Mr. Iole is a journalist for !Yahoo Sports and writes columns about MMA and boxing (and possibly more but I'm not sure).

Anyhow, to demonstrate how "qualified" (or severely unqualified) Mr. Iole is in regards to casting a vote toward boxing's pound-for-pound list, have a look for yourself at an article he wrote on May 6th, 2012.

"I think this is the man [Ward] Mayweather should fight if he can't make a match with Pacquiao. Ward is considerably bigger, and so it would be a risk, and that risk would mean that a lot of people would tune in. Could Mayweather handle an unbeaten gold medalist who is that much bigger? The Mayweather haters would buy because they'd think he'd be in big trouble against such a big man. His supporters would rightly argue that a win would help cement his place in history and move up way up on the all-time rankings. Floyd would have to agree to give up a lot of weight, but Ward could probably cut to 162 in order to make the big payday."

Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxin...kings-slim-floyd-mayweather-jr-223531370.html

Mr. Iole may be a good writer, and possibly even an incredible journalist, but boxing enthusiast he is not. His article regarding a potential fight between a 36 or 37 year old Floyd Mayweather (whose never weighed 154 pounds for a fight in his life - and has been very small for both his fights at 154) at a catchweight of 162 against Andre Ward is nothing less than a joke (but Iole wasn't joking - he just doesn't know any better).

So, yes boyschoir, when a pound-for-pound panel such as The Ring, !Yahoo, or ESPN features Kevin Iole, then I may be qualified to create a list of my own (as are many of the other users on this board). And this shouldn't be surprising because ESB is for the most part made up of more than casual boxing fans.

 

Boxing Expert. :verysad