How do you fix a fight?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by BillB, Oct 19, 2012.


  1. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How would you fix a fight?

    You have $1,000,000 to spend fixing a fight. If you're successful you'll make 10x that much.


    The fighter you want to lose won't take a dive.

    Where do you spend your money?

    Referee?

    Judges?

    Other fighter's trainer? Corner men?

    Who?
     
  2. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Book the fight in my man's home venue.

    Pay sanctioning fees early, and submit some local judges. Odds are, one gets a seat.

    Appeal for a "neutral" referee, whose from a neighboring state.

    Bring in an opponent on 4 weeks notice with a larger pay check, and have my boy already in the throws of a 10 week camp.

    Pocket the rest.

    You've just fixed the fight, barring a one in a thousand occurrence, and it's totally legal.
     
  3. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Makes sense.
    Couple of questions.

    Could you promote a fight with $1,000,000?

    If you were setting up a gambling coup, would anyone bet on a fight such as you describe?
     
  4. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Magna...you've forgot more about boxing in the last fifteen minutes than I know...pleasure reading your takes on here man....:good
     
  5. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I could, but I'd probably have to fight on it :lol:

    If I were setting up a gambling coup, I'd go about it a bit differently, but not a ton. Records would matter most, as far as that went. Get the poor sap who you are setting up to rob, make him look more formidable on paper.

    Maybe plan it 18 months in advance, build my marks record on some drunks from a local dive bar. Bring in my well-trained journeyman I KNOW can fight.

    Everybody bets on the 8-0, 9-0 kid, but he's in over his head, he hasn't had the gym time, and the judges and the referee aren't gonna be looking to do him any favors. The odds of failure in this type of plan are very, very low, and if you succeed and get hit with a review from the state athletic commission, you are 100% clean.

    My source? I've seen an ******* in the Midwest get away with it. *****.
     
  6. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great stuff, Magna!

    Thanks for posting.
     
  7. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    To really have it sewn up, you need the fighter who is going to loose on side.

    To maximise your winnings, you need to know the precise outcome i.e. KO7

    From there, the script is simple.

    The looser goes down early in the first round, thus eliminating any risk of the script being diverted from.

    Any fight where a durable fighter is knocked out in the first round, such as Clay Liston II, should cause some suspicion.
     
  8. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Depends on d attributes of both fighters and on how much contact and influence do i have on d fighter that i want 2 win .

    Trying 2 bribe referee / judges might b risky , so it depends on how much contact and influence i have on them , and on their attributes .

    I do think that in some occasions , 4man vs Ali and maybe also Puritty vs Vitali , but there were more , d opponent's cornermen were in d fix indeed .
     
  9. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    Check out my thread on Antonio Cervantes vs Wilfred Benitez -

    It was the perfect 'set up' with 'two agreeing camps'. But, Gregorio 'Papa' Benitez
    pulled a fast one, by not fulfilling his agreement for the WBA mandated rematch.

    In December 1976, the WBA stripped Wilfred of his Championship.

    After that, nobody in the Benitez Family or Benitez managed fighters ever fought for
    a WBA Championship crown.......ever.
     
  10. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Easy; get a phone and...


    "Señor Sulaimán; want to make $500,000?"



    Already you are $500,000 up!
     
  11. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It depends on what my wager is. If I just need boxer A to beat boxer B. I'd probbly bribe the judges. I only need 2 of the 3 for this to work. However if I have a bet on boxer A to knock out boxer B, than I pay off boxer B. If I had a bet on the under I'd pay the underdog to take a dive before the under. I'd tell him it's not like your going to win, and you might as welll make a little extra. With the over I'd pay the favrote to carry the other guy.
     
  12. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm thinking the referee might be the one to buy.

    He can stop a fight or fail to stop a fight that needs stopping.

    He can DQ a fighter on a whim.

    Has there ever been a known case of a crooked referee?

    If Walcott wasn't paid under the table in Clay- Liston II, he should have been
     
  13. KOTF

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    George Foreman said it best?

    "Did you think the fight was fixed George?"

    "Sure it was. I fixed it with a right hand!"

    I forgot which fight he was referencing though.
     
  14. hookfromhell

    hookfromhell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Im sure some of those olymic refs were bribed! Great stuff
    Magna. God Bless Eddie Cotton, caught Bowe Golota 2 the other
    night, never ceases to amaze how Eddie gave big daddy the benefit
    of the doubt. How much do judges and refs make? I always figured
    modest salary 40 to 70 thousand, hence easy to bribe. By the way,
    anyone see Jimmy Young vs Mike Jameson, I read bout was stopped
    as ref felt both were in on the fix. Jameson gave Iron Mike his first test.
    Anyway what happened in this bout Jameson vs Young?
     
  15. D9Garrard

    D9Garrard Active Member Full Member

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    Magna gave a great tutorial on how to accomplish a "true fix".

    I would suggest that many fights had "predetermined" outcomes based on the promotional backdrop and bookings. If you are a fighter considered to be a "solid journeyman" who makes top dollar to come into a "pushed" fighters' hometown and know you are expected to look impressive in a losing role, why would you chance losing future bookings by upsetting the apple cart and beating the house fighter? Other promoters might well freeze you out on the basis of your being "unsafe". I once heard a comprehensive explanation of this process from Champ Chaney here in Indy about our top heavy Tom Prater. (He's already lost to Holmes and Cooney and he won't get another shot at either and we make more money fighting on the road and losing to top guys rather than beating one and nobody calls us for fights anymore.) back in the early 80's. My ex-sparring mate Gary Gamble said the same thing. Subtle pressure to follow "the script".