Ray Leonard: P4P Rating over last 50 Years?

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Armstrong? And he was ****ing other weights up in the process.
     
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  2. Hands of Iron

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    :huh

    Possibly. It's been a good two years since I was focused on it, but from what I recall, after he beat Garcia (the #1), he didn't really defend it against rated welterweights much at all. Understandable considering he really wasn't one himself (and the Ross win is tremendous for that too) but it was the title he had. You couldn't get Monzon to defend his crown against anybody outside of the top three for almost the entire duration of his run. And hell no, I don't consider Valdez, Benvenuti, Briscoe, Griffith, et al. a bad crop at all. Valdez should be a Hall of Famer too.
     
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  3. turbotime

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    Valdez no.

    But take a look at armstrong at welter and the guys he was fighting elsewhere. He was beating Ross and then beating Jenkins at the next weight and defending that run. That is the greatest title run in history, OVER Louis imo.
     
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  4. Hands of Iron

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    Some other admissions would say yes.

    You mean Lou Ambers? :lol:

    I mean, he beat Lew Jenkins too later on.

    From October 1937 to November 1938, Armstrong took the Featherweight title off of Petey Sarron, bested HOFers Chalky Wright and Baby Arizmendi at lightweight, beat Barney Ross for the Welterweight Title, then Lou Ambers for the Lightweight title and turned around and defended the Welterweight title against #1 contender Ceferino Garcia. The latter three took place in three consecutive fights.

    He's Top 5 P4P for that sequence alone.

    :rofl :rofl :rofl
     
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  5. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    My bad I always get Lew and Lou ****ed up :verysad

    "Lew"...really? Props to him though for not making Hank put his belt on the lines in a "catchweight" :hi:
     
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  6. turbotime

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    Iron do you really rate Carlos top 10 atg?
     
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  7. turbotime

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    Wow this is really so ****ed to sit down and think about it. I stand by me saying this is the greatest title run ever in boxing. Ridiculous :-(
     
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  8. Hands of Iron

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    :yep


    No. :lol:

    Maybe the greatest fighter ever.
     
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  9. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    My man on all counts :hat

    Now keep Ali in your Top 10 :nono ( I feel a FEW threads coming on :smoke )
     
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  10. Hands of Iron

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    I would squeeze Escopeta into the top 20 though, relatively comfortably.

    But yah, I think Henry Armstrong has a case for GOAT. Where were you at when I was rockin' the Homicide Hank avatar? **** was too Classic.


    (And damn both of those aliases are dope) :lol: :deal
     
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    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I was round when you rocked the Hank one wasn't I? Esopeta in top 20 is cool. Over who..Wilde?

    What aliases :oops:
     
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    Yeah, probably. :lol:

    Escopeta a.k.a. Shotgun a.k.a. Carlos Monzon
    Homicide Hank a.k.a. Henry Armstrong

    Hammerin? Hurricane? Hell Nah.

    Escopeta > Manos de Piedra, Mantequilla, El Flaco Explosivo, El Radar, Gavilan

    In terms of nicknames.

    Sugar is probably the ****in worst. I never refer to them like that. SRR, SRL. :deal
     
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  13. turbotime

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    yeah, I never use SRR or Sugar. I just refer to them as "ray" ...real boxing fans will know which one I'm referring to :yep

    Homicide is an ATG name for an ATG guy. Style for it too...


    I REALLY like Mantequilla....I wish Sexy stole that name because it rolls so nice. maravilla is very nice as well though.

    "Rockabye" Rubes?
     
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  14. Hands of Iron

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    Eh.

    The Greatest ----> Lame.
    Sweet Pea ----> LOL
    Marvelous is kind of wack too.. But in spanish sounds cool.
     
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  15. the cobra

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    You guys need to start promoting this Charles > Armstrong thing I've been drumming up for over a year now. Seriously. Now. And I mean 'now', as in, 'right now'.
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    Now. :twisted:
     
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