Can Performance Enhancing Drugs Improve Your Boxing Skills?

Like what Cableaddict stated PED's are more of a health risk and I agree with that ,in no way do I see most of these PED'S as an advantage since most of the examples I provided has shown that the people on them actually lost .I don't think its OK for any athlete to take a PED but I also don't think it increases your performance in a boxing ring all that much when its skill and a great ring IQ that truly makes a boxer great ! Greatness was and will never be achieved from a bottle ,gel or pill !

 

Good ****ing Lord you people are ignorant. Everytime I read a PED thread it amazes me the amounts of misunderstanding and sheer pig headed dogma one has to sort through.

At this stage in the poll, half the voters actually voted "NO".

I could write an abbreviated epilogue on how the individual nature(s) both anabolic and andrigenic of PED's would obviously lead to "skill" improvement, granted actual training time is put in, but why bother? You all have your minds made up and no amount of proof would dare budge you from your collective bastion of ignorance.

 

It won't turn a bum into Floyd man. I know that. What I'm stating is that it can make a huge difference in a very close fight like Pryor-Arguello for example. In other sport there a countless examples that PEDs help athletes achieve better results. Keep in mind that fighters like Toney, Berto Vargas and so on were all top notch and we don't know for how long they were taking PEDs.

 

If given during the fight like Pryor Arguello then by all means yes its an advantage ..But prior to it I don't believe so . As far as Toney well he was perscribed the steroid of an injury which is pretty common ,no PED can give you the ring IQ he had ..As far as Berto well he is another example of whht plagues fighters ..Not seasoned enough ,terrible boxing fundimentals and with brute strength .This is why PED's are so rampacnt in boxing ,its easier for these guys to take short cuts than to put in the work now a days .








Here is an article on the James Toney Situation for the Ruiz fight :

I've kept my mouth shut as it relates to responding to the continual and annoying accusations, grandstanding and somewhat disingenuous comments made by either John Ruiz or one of his mouthpieces.

However, enough is enough. Most real fighters do their talking with their fists and not their mouths...remember I said real fighters. Ruiz has done nothing but cry since being handed his WBA belt back. If he was a real man, a real fighter, he would have tried to get me back into the ring to show everyone that James Toney could not have kicked his ass if my test didn't show up positive. But he knows what I stated as the cause of my positive test was the TRUTH....prescribed medication used to reduce inflammation in my recent bicep/triceps surgery. If this wasn't the case, and he actually believed that I was using performance enhancing drugs to beat him, I can only think he would want this overblown middleweight, with the world watching his next drug test, to get back into the ring with him immediately so he could manhandle me as he said he could have done without the positive test.

Let it be said now, John Ruiz would rather go out of the country to fight, then to ever think of having to be in a ring with me again. He knows I beat him with one arm (my good one); the other arm was still recuperating from the 2004 career threatening surgery. I'm tired of hearing his continual babble and grandstanding.

The New York State Athletic Commission was given the reason why my test was positive. I believe they understood the difference of medications used for recovery purposes and those intended to enhance your performance. You didn't need to be a rocket scientist to see I was not the poster boy for steroid use.

Unfortunately, for the Commission and the WBA, their rules do not have the ability to separate the circumstances, no matter how valid they may have been.

The analogy is somewhat similar to a speeding driver who is pulled over by a policemen for going 80 mph in a 55 mph zone, but approaching the vehicle the policemen realizes the driver's wife is delivering a baby in the back seat. Now the simple act of speeding is illegal, however in this case, despite the rules and regulations of the appropriate State, the policeman now will make a determination in either giving a speeding ticket to the driver or to give him an 80 mph police escort to the hospital. The Commission didn't have the luxury in my case to make a similar determination based upon circumstances; hence the suspension.

These are the changes needed within the Commission and the WBA and anyone else the Ruiz team so designates as a future target of inadequacy.

However, like any other court of law, or system that takes into account the "possibility" of extenuating circumstances, which was the only reason I didn't fight the suspension since the rules didn't address taking prescribed medication solely for rehabilitation of my surgically repaired arm, the rules governing boxing should mirror the above referenced legal system. The Ruiz camp has taken the position of grandstanding in an area where deflection can only last so long---or at least until his next grabfest known as one of his fights.

Ruiz states, "Other sports have addressed steroid problems..." in his latest statement. Is he kidding? One of the top players in baseball received a paltry 10-day suspension for his use of steroids. Give me a break John, and go back to being the "Quiteman." Get off your high horse and fight like a man. Stop talking and whining about getting your butt kicked. I was fat, out of shape and fighting with one arm and kicked your ass---face up to it; Schwarzenegger I wasn't.

For my final and last comment on this subject, I say to the Commissions and the organizations that you've done a great job of protecting and when need be, penalizing the fighters. Keep it up.

Light's Out.

James Toney.

 

There is undeniable prove that EPO will improve your stamina in a similar way to drug given during the actual fight. But you have made up your mind so I want bother anymore.

edit. I all fairness I gave the example of Toney without knowing the details

 

All good ,I just think there is like Toney said too much grandstanding and its hurting the sport .We can agree to disagree on the EPO but will agree that its not OK for any fighter to take anything.:good

 

Well he’s right there is a difference between prescribed steroids for an injury as opposed to a performance enhancer .People get prescribed steroids all the time for injuries ..Hell I was back in the day for a back injury but guess what that didn’t make me a better boxer .


And Marijuana we all know is not a performance enhancer so that has no relevance in this debate .

 

yep all is good. Its a discussion we can not agree on everything obviously. I would like to discuss less PEDs and negotiations personally and more of the technical details but unfortunately that's the state of the sport at the moment.

 

PED's caused me to kill my family!

 

For real we will never get out of this terrible age of boxing of we can't get more stars and the match ups that we want ..This PED crap is just giving the sport more black eyes and that's not what it needs .

 

How the **** are people picking yes? It may improve your physical ability and overall performance, but NOT your skills. At all.

 

. was about to post this too. Some people are just ******ed enough to think that.

 

People are struggling to understand what an actual skill is in this thread. :deal

 

I voted yes because it enables you to hone your skills more often for longer periods of time. The PEDs themselves don't directly improve your skills, but it affords one the benefit of an unnaturally longer/more intense amount of time to train.

 

Some PEDs increase skills. Caffein, for instance, improves your reflexes. It's not banned, but it is most definitely considered a PED. Now imagine the really dangerous, illegal versions of caffein....

And what about speed & power, are they not skills? You train for years to improve both. It takes skill to maximize both.

Seems like a silly game of semantics here.