Bernard Hopkins: higher on ATG list than Floyd and Manny?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by ConserveWater, Oct 22, 2012.


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  1. ConserveWater

    ConserveWater Guest

    I AGREE.... I'm just saying YOU not giving MORE credit to Bernard and what he achieved after 40 is also not fair. The wins are naturally BIGGER as you get to that age. I mean you talk about the Pavlik win as a 'good win'. It's a 'good win' if that was a Prime Bernard. For a old man, that is considered a GREAT win.You must take into account just how hard it is for someone his age to do what he has done.
     
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  2. tliang1000

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    He didn't do much of anything pre 30 prior his vacant title shot.
     
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  3. COLD-HARD-TRUTH

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    Hopkins rates above both Mayweather and Pacquiao IMHO. He set the record for middleweight title defenses and became the oldest fighter to ever win a title. What Hopkins has accomplished after the age of 40 has been incredible and he has surpassed Pacquiao and Mayweather based on that. Mayweather hasn't shown the willingness to take the risky fights that would really define his career and Pacquiao has been gifted too many decisions against Marquez....and is already slowing down at 33.
     
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  4. ConserveWater

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    Forget what he have achieved after 40. Let's talk about the Trinidad fight. Name me one victory for Floyd that is a bigger win than that?

    Let's not go into the bull**** about Tito not 'being in his weight class'. He looked great at MW against Joppy, he looked just as good at MW as compare to his fight against Vargas at 154. He is a massive 154 fighter and if he was in today's MW Division. Can we honestly say anyone outside of Martinez will beat Tito?
     
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  5. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In a list of ATG's from 1980 onward, I've Pacquaio at 4, Mayweather at 5 and Hopkins at 8. So I personally rate Pacquaio and Mayweather higher, but it is quite close. Mayweather gets before him because of his long domination of several weight-classes (unbeaten) and his skills, Pacquaio for his domination of even more weight-classes and his resume with wins over many other HOF/ATG's.
     
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  6. tliang1000

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    I rate bhop very much as a matter of fact, quit putting words in my mouth.
     
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  7. ConserveWater

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    At every angle Floyd and Pac will smoke Bhop.
    That's you






    That's like me saying 'Roy Jones Jr will be dominated by Joe Calzaghe, in every category, come at me bro'
    Oh I rate Roy very much btw, quit putting words in my mouth..
     
    ConserveWater, Oct 22, 2012
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  8. tliang1000

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    You do know Trinidad started at 140 and bhop at 175(LHW) right? Floyd's victory over Corrales, Castillo tops it. THey were both bigger than Floyd not the other way around. And names that top Tito are Oscar and tie with Tito is Shane and JMM.
     
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  9. knockout artist

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    What would that list be?

    Mine would read

    Sugar Ray Leonard
    Thomas Hearns
    Marvin Hagler
    Pernell Whitaker
    Floyd Mayweather
    Manny Pacquiao
    Evander Holyfield
    Lennox Lewis
    Mike Tyson
    Roy Jones
    Bernard Hopkins
    Julio Cesar Chavez sr


    That's just off the top of my head right now, feel free to rip it apart
     
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  10. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've said that FLoyd and Pac tops bhop in ATG from the beginning. You've been putting words in my mouth as soon as i bring out the stats. I warned you do not go there bc it will just keep getting worse.
     
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  11. Rexrapper 1

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    I have Hopkins over both. He dominated a division in a way that Floyd and Manny haven't. He also moved up in weight and became the man at the light heavyweight division. The oldest athlete to win a title. His longevity is off the charts as well.
     
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  12. ConserveWater

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    Overall I agree with most of what you are saying. Didn't mean to sound like a *******, just got a bit irritated when you say Floyd-Pac DOMINATES and smokes Bernard in terms of ATG Rankings.

    I won't mind if Floyd or Pac gets ranked above Bernard, but I think to most intelligent boxing fans and boxing writers/historians agree that neither one 'smokes and destroys' Bernard in terms of resume/accomplishments.

    When you say Floyd/Pac Smokes Bernard, that's probably an over exaggeration.

    Most people are open to debate, but when one side takes a extremest stance it's pointless.
     
    ConserveWater, Oct 22, 2012
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  13. Arcane

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    No love for Duran?
     
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  14. tliang1000

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    I didn't know the IBF was littered with big names. look at all the top names Bhop fought during his mandatories.
     
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  15. Collie

    Collie Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can remember my top 8 I think, Ill try and find the link and put it in here in a minute, I did a top 30. Id probably change it a bit if I revised it again, work in progress.

    1. SRL
    2. Whitaker
    3. Chavez Sr.
    4. Pacquaio
    5. Mayweather
    6. Hagler
    7. Hearns
    8. Hopkins
    9. RJJ
    10. Lennox Lewis


    Edit: Heres the link to that thread with the full lists in it.
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424726&highlight=Top+30+in+since+1980
     
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