Bernard Hopkins: higher on ATG list than Floyd and Manny?

No, Hopkins beating better fighters than Calzaghe did is reason why Hopkins is rated over Joe. :nono

 

Hey you don't have to explain that to me.

 

Depends what you think their best wins are :smoke

For me, it's something like

Floyd:
Corrales
Castillo
Hatton
Delahoya
Cotto

Hopkins:
Trinidad
Pavlik
Tarver
Wright
Pascal

Pacquiao
Barrera
Cotto
Hatton
Marquez
Morales (debateable as he was clearly past it when Pac won the rematch)

Thoughts? The fact that Hopkins was a decided underdog in almost every one of his wins means a lot for his ranking.

 

Turbo, the reason why he was underdog against those champs bc he was not dominant. People were writing him off after his embrassing defeats against Taylor where he was throwing 20 punches a round.

 

Those defeats weren't embarassing? Hell a lot of people think he won those fights. That's a whole different topic altogether though.

 

I'm not saying is the only critria. weight jumping is just another angle of critrita as for number of defenses.

 

Those losses cause Bhop's stock to drop. Lost his titles, his p4p ranking, and became an underdog. He was even dogged against Winky who was 2.5 to 1 favorite.

 

Trinidad looks like the freshest quality win on the list (sound familiar?). Pacquiao makes it close with his win over Barrera...the Pavlik win was also more solid than a lot of either one's wins, considering they had the youth advantage. I think I'd switchout the JMM win (since I can't call those wins, despite his great performance in the rematch) and maybe add Taylor for BHop; I scored both fights for Hopkins and lots of people thought he won at least one of them.

I could actually make a cool points-system breakdown comparing each tier. Seems silly but it's really just isolating their best accomplishments against each other and adding up the weight.

 

I had Bhop beat Joe here.

I'm not trying to put down Bhop as if his resume is not good. In terms of ATG rankings between those three, he is number 3. I think Floyd and Manny got more big wins with more names, They are more dominant against their rivals. Pac's ability to carry his power and speed with him to Floyd's 16 year reign Longetivity without skipping a beat. Bhop has great wins but he have struggled early, mid and late in his career against his rivals.

 

Floyd AND Manny ahead of Hopkins...

 

Hopkins won the middleweight championship against Trinidad, not ****ing Mercado.

 

He won his IBF strap when he beat Mercado in their rematch, when he beat Holmes he unified the WBC when he beat Trinidad he unified the WBA and won the vacant ring title and when he beat Oscar he became undisputed champion (in it's purest form) when he picked up the WBO title.

No wonder you hate Hopkins so much, you know **** all about him atsch

 

These are, in my opinion, the top 3 fighters of the era (well, depends on the technicalities of the term "era"). Jones is #4, to me.