If YOU were Joe Calzaghe, would you come out of retirement to fight Andre Ward?

I wasn't arguing that point with you. I was just pointing out that right now I feel Joe's resume is stronger.

Regarding Joe and Roy I always had it in my mind that he chased Roy from 2004 onwards. That's when he was eager to fight Jones I thought.

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Fair enough mate.

I agree, Joe's resume is slightly stronger at the moment.

Shame Joe wasn't around for the Super Six.

No he never chased Roy from 2004. 2004 is when he started to dismiss him as a threat, after Tarver and Johnson had knocked him out.

He was asked in 2004, about a potential fight against Tarver at 175. He said he wasn't interested in a fight with Tarver, because in his opinion, Tarver had done nothing apart from beating a shot Roy Jones.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Okay thanks for clearing that up about 2004

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I agree with Joe that Tarver hadn't done enough to get Joe to come up to 175. The only two fighters then were Bhop and RJJ. Shame the 2002 Bhop vs Calzaghe fight never happened although I feel the 2008 fight was an accurate representation of how it would have went. ( I scored it 115-112 Calzaghe)

 

Why are you talking about Ward's resume for?

Pavlik back then was seen as a threat. Jones was considered shot. The fact that Hopkins went on to beat Pavlik does not change the fact that Calzaghe opted for the much easier fight. He could of fought a ton of guys like Darius M, Dawson, Tarver, G.Johnson , Pavlik, Woods or even Jones around 00, but he always opted for much easier fights.

 

Ignoring the fact that it was Pavlik who turned down offers to fight Calzaghe??

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If he wants to lose to Ward, sure.

 

If i was Joe i will see if i still throw 1000 slaps for 12 rounds.

 

He is ignoring it because it isnt a fact, but a claim, which it clearly says in the article.

There is no allusion to fact at all concerning Pavlik turning down Joe.

He is 100% right to ignore it.

 

The metamorphosis has started already.

 

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I read an interesting article posted by Zod, that states Joe doesn't fancy other southpaws....

Think that might have played into not wanting to move up and fight a long lanky southpaw with plenty of power and counter punching ability? The man who lost a close fight, and knocked out the man Joe respected, and would only fight for the crown jewels?

Tarver had certainly proven himself as a big enough name, After the KO of Roy, he was shot into the boxing mainstream instantly. More than enough to get Joe to come up, he was a bigger name than Joe outside of Europe.

Not saying Joe would have lost, but I find it strange that he didn't think Tarver did enough, then reading the article about not fancying other southpaws, makes me wonder.

Did Calzaghe ever test himself against another elite southpaw?

 

Hi mate,

I agree with your post. I too have read Zod's post regarding Joe not facing any southpaws. Tarver would of been a very dangerous fight for him. Like I've mentioned to moneypaysbills, in 2004, Joe said he was looking for big money fights, and he was happy to move up to 175.

When he said that, the obvious name on everyone's lips was Tarver. But then he instantly dismissed him, by saying that he didn't rate him, because he'd done nothing apart from beat a past it Roy Jones.

We also know that he messed Glen Johnson around. Then 4 years later, he went on to fight Roy in 2008, after he'd made the Tarver comment.

That's why this thread is ridicuous. It's very enjoyable, and I love debating, but in my opinion, Joe wouldn't have gone anyway near Ward 6 or 7 years ago, never mind coming out of retirement now.

Tarver and Johnson would of been hard fights, but he didn't want to take the risk. He stayed and fought Salem and Ashira instead.

Joe was always going to do something, but in the end he never followed any of it through.

Regards, Loudon.