If YOU were Joe Calzaghe, would you come out of retirement to fight Andre Ward?

I agree 100%


Regards, Loudon.

 

Who do you think is Joe's best win?

Before he fought Joe , Kessler had fought for a vacant title and defended it against nobody's.

 

Hi mate!

It depends on which way you look at it.

I agree with you regarding Kessler. Coming into that fight, he was built up as the Terminator, who'd never been beaten, who had the other two belts. But like you say, he'd never beaten any great fighters. Cummins, Sciaca, Andrade, Beyer, Lucas, Mundine.

It's the same with Lacy. Lacy hadn't beaten any great fighters. The Americans were looking for someone at the time, and he was knocking everyone out with his left hook and looking impressive. But I think he was made the favourite, because Joe was still an unknown entity at the time.

I think if the U.S. fans and media had seen a lot of Joe, I don't think Lacy would have been a big favourite. I think they dismissed Joe, because they'd hardly seen anything of him.

There's a big difference between rating someone's best win, and then best performance.

Lacy was by far the best performance of his career.

In terms of importance, it has to be Kessler or Hopkins.

But like you say, Kessler hadn't done a deal, but it was to unify the division. But it took him 9 years to do it. It wasn't his fault that Ottke didn't want to know, but he should have ditched his belt and moved up to 175 earlier. I think he could have won the 175 belt somewhere down the line. I think being a two weight world champion would have been a bigger achievement than beating Kessler to unify a weak division. That's my hinest opinion.

You could argue that Hopkins was his biggest win, but in my opinion he didn't beat him. I think it was a draw.

So I would have to say Lacy was his best performance, but his biggest win was Kessler. I like Kessler, I think he's a good fighter, but for me, that sums up Joe's career.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Cheers boss. Good post, cant argure with the authenticity of it as thats the way it played out!

 

Hi mate, good post.

I'll be honest with you, I'm only 32, so I haven't seen a lot of those fighters.

I've watched a few of spinks's fights, and I've read up on Bob Foster and The Old Mongoose Archie Moore. I've never seen Moorer fight at 175, only at heavyweight.

Maybe someone with more knowledge could give you an in depth response. I'd like to read that myself.

Moorer, a big powerful southpaw, that would no doubt press Roy and cause him problems. But how does he cope with Roy's speed?

I think Roy's speed advantage would cause anyone in history great problems, and it would offset their strengths.

Spinks, I've recently been looking into the career of the Jinx, because he's got a lot of admirers on here. I think he was a great fighter, with a hell of a right hand. But i've seen flaws in his boxing, and again I think Roy's movement would frustrate him. If he landed, it'd be goodnight, but would he have had the opportunity? From what I've seen, I could definitely see Roy taking a points win.

Foster, I've recently been reading about his heavyweight exploits. I think had his right hand landed, Roy would of been out for a week. I think he had a lot of physical advantages over Roy, and this would be the hardest fight for Roy of the three I've mentioned so far. But again, I don't know enough to give a solid opinion. I haven't seen his fights, so It's impossible for me to say. Could he overcome Roy's speed and movement to get to him?

Archie Moore, a legend in boxing. I believe he's Bernard Hopkins's favourite fighter. Again I haven't seen much of him, only the Marciano and Ali losses towards the end of his career at Heavy. Patterson also stopped him I believe, and Ezzard Charles beat him. I don't really know much about his 175 career, so I've really know idea what would have happened. They were hard, tough men in those days, and Roy may not have been able to have hurt him. But again, how would he have coped with Roy's speed? Ali and Patterson were fast, but as I say he was getting on a bit then. Did he fight anyone at 175 as quick as Roy?I don't know.

Sorry for being vague, and like I say, I'd love someone to come on here and give some in depth analysis.

Great post!

Regards, Loudon

 

ConserveWater=Felix Trinidad/Skittlez/KubratPuluv . ESB biggest demented wierdo trying to be nornal but outed himself over on a Wladimir thread. Claims Wlad should of kicked Vitali out of his team a long time ago.

 

Ward is impervious to slapping.

 

Loudon, ConserveWater is a notorious Roy Jones hater and is here for reasons unknown , probably to combat his boredom. Dont waste your time.

 

I havent been on this thread for a few days and will return to it at a later date but just looked at the last page and saw more rubbish from you that like others is incorrect.

Kessler didnt win vacant titles before he fought Calzaghe, he beat reigning champs in Siaca and Beyer.
Beyer was a 3 time WBC champ, Siaca was the WBA champ and Kessler also before facing Calzaghe beat Mundine the former WBA SMW champ who became WBA Regular champ after Kessler beat him. Kessler also beat undefeated Andrade. Former WBC SMW champs Thobela and Lucas.
Kessler won a vacant title after losing to Calzaghe against Sartison but did beat a reigning champ against Froch.
Ward beat Kessler who had only won a vacant title.

Dinovelvet like Loudon gets himself owned due to making things up :yep

 

Yeah mate since Team Elite had gone for a bit these Zealots have been running riot

 

You can big anybody up using boxrec stats.

The point is, Kessler is a good fighter, but going into the fight with Joe he hadn't had any great wins. I thought one of his titles was vacant against Cummins? Mundine, Beyer, Andrade and Lucas were good fighters, but they can't be classed as great wins, and that's the point he was making.

Where's part 4 of my pawning?

You'll have to try a lot harder than last time!


Regards, Loudon.

 

I agree...

I don't buy into Tarver not doing enough in Calzaghe's eyes to make the jump to LHW...

He just dethroned the better part of 10 years P4P King, by KO... That isn't doing enough??? please! After reading the article presented by Zod, which states Joe doesn't fancy southpaws, I honestly think Calzaghe thought Tarver would have been to much a risk for that 0 that he was protecting. Calzahge wanted to go to LHW for years, It is clear he finally did it when it was relatively safe...

Joe Calzaghe calculated risks very closely, which is fine... My favorite fighter in Roy Jones was notorious for it, and i acknowledge that, boxing is a business, where a loss can certainly hurt your cash flow.. But it is funny how the biggest Jones haters, are all Calzaghe lovers, that accuse Roy of ducking a long list of fighters...

Roy was very risk vs. reward minded, but he took way more risks than Calzaghe. Which makes the Calzaghe lovers hypocritical... Bailey likes to use "form lines" for why Calzaghe doesn't have to fight someone.. But then accuses Roy of ducking someone when the "form line" leads do ass whippings by Roy. Styles make fights, "form lines" mean ****, anyone who knows boxing knows this.

I am no Calzaghe hater, as a matter of fact, I actually appreciate what he did as a fighter and thought he had a special talent. I just don't like the double standards, which seems to be the case when judging what Andre Ward has done..

I still have Calzaghe as the GOAT SMW... But Andre is doing more things a lot faster than Calzaghe did.. How will Andre look at 36? well its hard to say, Joe looked phenomenal for 36, and had great longevity.

I just disagree with getting defensive and shitting on what Andre has done, or anyone for that matter.

Andre Ward is rapidly closing in on the gap for GOAT SMW... Just years after Calzaghe retires... I think this doesn't sit well with Calzaghe's biggest fans.

 

(Unfortunately Im too busy to post up the links, I will do that later.)

Who confirms these offers? ******? Pavlik? Arum?

Calzaghe said himself he wanted to fight the winner of the Pavlik-Taylor II rematch. Talks started after Calzaghe beat Hopkins, but then came to a halt after Pavlik's destruction of Gary Lockett, who was also trained by Joe's father. It was then that Calzaghe claimed that Pavlik had turned him down twice. He claimed that Pavlik had turned him down before he beat Taylor I. Pavlik would of only been a mw prospect at that point and he claimed that Pavlik had turned him down after he beat Taylor. Which is stupid considering the fact that there was a rematch clause in their contract.

Calzaghe then went on to claim that Shot Jones was relevant again and fought him instead Like I said before he always chose the path of least resistance.:good