Ray Leonard: P4P Rating over last 50 Years?

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  1. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    I like Monzon over Hagler myself, but I love where you place him overall.
     
    Hands of Iron, Oct 23, 2012
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  2. PityTheFool

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    I tend to favour the Boxing News 100 list HOI.I can see why you don't like that one.
    Don't have time to look out the list in question right now.:oops:
     
    PityTheFool, Oct 23, 2012
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  3. Hands of Iron

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    That wouldn't be because they placed SRL around 6th, now would it? :lol:
     
    Hands of Iron, Oct 24, 2012
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    Napoles at #56 is downright unbearable. Missed bolding him.
     
    Hands of Iron, Oct 24, 2012
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  5. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Mickey Walker barely 30 :lol:

    Louis over Greb :patsch FML, Nat :verysad


    Greb would have cleaned Louis' clock.
     
    turbotime, Oct 24, 2012
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  6. fists of fury

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    Yeah, that's probably about right. I can see an argument for vice-versa, but overall I think Roberto is a little ahead.
     
    fists of fury, Oct 25, 2012
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  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Leonard has such an insanely good "top 6 wins." Insane. I do think his resume is top heavy in wins with the competition dramatically falling off after those guys.

    I would rank Ali, Duran, and Monzon over Leonard for sure. I think a case could be made easily for Hagler or Whitaker.
     
    Nonito Smoak, Oct 25, 2012
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  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    My opinions on particular guys filled...

    After I did this, I realized again that it was top 80 of the past 80, so guys like Langford, Wills, Fitzsimmons, Sullivan, etc. can't be listed. So take my assessments of guys being lower as not quite as dramatic as I said.
     
    Nonito Smoak, Oct 25, 2012
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  9. PityTheFool

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    Your cynicism is quite disappointing mate.:-(

    It's also right on the button.:yep:lol:
     
    PityTheFool, Oct 25, 2012
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  10. fists of fury

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    I can't see Ali over Leonard personally.
     
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  11. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I do love that high Whitaker placement though :happy
     
    turbotime, Oct 25, 2012
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  12. Hands of Iron

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    Yeah, and only two years after his last fight. Usually takes a decade or so see full appreciation and realization of who a fighter was and what he accomplished to be rated accordingly.

    How about the 'Puncher's List'? (2003):

    1. Joe Louis
    2. Sam Langford
    3. Jimmy Wilde
    4. Archie Moore
    5. Sandy Saddler
    6. Stanley Ketchel
    7. Jack Dempsey
    8. Bob Fitzsimmons
    9. George Foreman
    10. Earnie Shavers
    11. Sugar Ray Robinson
    12. Ruben Olivares
    13. Wilfredo Gomez
    14. Rocky Marciano
    15. Sonny Liston
    16. Mike Tyson
    17. Bob Foster
    18. Thomas Hearns
    19. Khaosai Galaxy
    20. Alexis Arguello
    21. Carlos Zarate
    22. Max Baer
    23. Rocky Graziano
    24. Matthew Saad Muhammad
    25. Julian Jackson
    26. Danny Lopez
    27. Gerald McClellan
    28. Roberto Duran
    29. Rodrigo Valdez
    30. Felix Trinidad
    31. Pipino Cuevas
    32. Jim Jefferies
    33. Lennox Lewis
    34. Bennie Briscoe
    35. Marvin Hagler
    36. Edwin Rosario
    37. Tommy Ryan
    38. John Mugabi
    39. Joe Frazier
    40. Carlos Monzon
    41. Tony Zale
    42. Michael Spinks
    43. Joe Gans
    44. Elmer Ray
    45. George Godfrey
    46. Naseem Hamed
    47. Alfonso Zamora
    48. David Tua
    49. Cleveland Williams
    50. Julio Cesar Chavez
    51. Tiger Jack Fox
    52. Joe Walcott
    53. Gerry Cooney
    54. Al (Bummy) Davis
    55. Max Schmeling
    56. Florentino Fernandez
    57. Henry Armstrong
    58. Bob Satterfield
    59. Al Hostak
    60. Jesus Pimentel
    61. Eugene (Cyclone) Hart
    62. Lew Jenkins
    63. Harry Wills
    64. Tom Sharkey
    65. Terry McGovern
    66. Jersey Joe Walcott
    67. Kostya Tszyu
    68. Leotis Martin
    69. Buddy Baer
    70. Donovan (Razor) Ruddock
    71. Jose Luis Ramirez
    72. Tommy Gomez
    73. Jose Napoles
    74. Kid McCoy
    75. Antonio Esparragoza
    76. Ricardo Moreno
    77. Evander Holyfield
    78. Ike Williams
    79. Luis Firpo
    80. Ricardo Lopez
    81. Humberto Gonzalez
    82. Bobby Chacon
    83. Jock McAvoy
    84. Eduardo Lausse
    85. Eder Jofre
    86. Charley Burley
    87. Mike McCallum
    88. Salvador Sanchez
    89. Roy Jones Jr.
    90. Rodolfo Gonzalez
    91. Nigel Benn
    92. (Irish) Bob Murphy
    93. Paul Berlenbach
    94. Battling Torres
    95. Chalky Wright
    96. George (K.O.) Chaney
    97. Andy Ganigan
    98. Fred Fulton
    99. Ingemar Johansson
    100. Charley White
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    I've got to say: Jackson, Robinson and Hearns would easily be in my Top 10. As would Mike Tyson and Alexis Arguello.. That's considering every aspect of the term, not simply one-shot power. That has to be what it is, if Louis is #1.
     
    Hands of Iron, Oct 25, 2012
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  13. turbotime

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    Real bad list. Hearns, Foreman, Jackson, Naz, Moore are pretty much tops for me with others like Shavers, Louis, Tyson, Wilde getting mentions.
     
    turbotime, Oct 25, 2012
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  14. Hands of Iron

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    Where's Robinson?! :twisted: He could be No. 1!

    Shavers isn't in Tyson's league as a puncher, who too had one-shot power - in both fists - in addition to blazing hand speed, multiple angles, accuracy, punch selection and combinations, a sustained body attack and top shelf finishing ability. Shavers got that? :D
     
    Hands of Iron, Oct 25, 2012
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  15. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    :lol: :patsch I made a list that looked something like

    Jackson
    Hearns
    Foreman
    Naz
    Moore
    Wilde
    Robinson
    Shavers
    Tyson
    Louis


    I can't find it anywhere though :verysad Shavers hits hard just ****ing deal with it :cus
     
    turbotime, Oct 25, 2012
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