If YOU were Joe Calzaghe, would you come out of retirement to fight Andre Ward?

Kessler won a vacant title against Dingaan Thobela and defended it against Cummings.

Mundine , just because he had a title , doesn't make him a great fighter , hes clearly not. He got got brutally knocked out and couldn't beat the count by Ottke.

 

Mundine title was also vacant and won it against an absolute zero never heard of, and who lost it a fight later to another no hoper. That was Kesslers biggest win before he faced Joe. Haha.

 

Loudon

Hi mate, how's it going?

I always enjoy reading your posts, one thing I want to ask. When Roy has been accused of avoiding fighters, you always produce very comprehensive posts outlining why these guys weren't worthy of fighting Roy, and why the fights didn't happen. Yet it seems you put all the blame at Calzaghe for fights not happening, which seems unfair. Which fights do you blame Joe for not making?

One more thing, do you seriously believe that Joe purposely avoided southpaws because he didn't fight the mighty Syd Vanderpool?

 

If you're going to duck past a B-Hop rematch to keep your precious "0" then it's best not to challenge the best fighter in the game today from 160 to 175 lbs.

 

Hiya pal,

I'm fine thanks, I've been meaning to say hello.

I don't think Roy gets a fair crack of the whip on here. His resume constantly gets ripped, when in actual fact, it's pretty strong.

He also gets abused for ducking guys like Benn, Eubank and DM every week, which is unfair. I think the only guys Roy ducked are Collins and Nunn, but not out of fear of losing, like I think Floyd has done with Manny.

Joe gets a lot of stick on here too.

But most of my comments on Joe are regarding his career path, and the various comments he's made over the years.

Believe it or not, I respect him a lot as a fighter, and he had great skills.

But while there's lots of circumstances to why Roy didn't face certain fighters, Joe just never put himself in the mix.

I just can't understand why he stayed at 168, when it was clear that Ottke wouldn't unify, and he was struggling to make weight. He could have been in the 175 mix.

I don't understand why he said in 2004, he wanted big money fights at 175, but when Tarver's name was mentioned, he instantly dismissed him.

He said in a frustrated tone, that he'd been chasing Roy for 5 or 6 years, but there's no way he was telling the truth. It's things like that, that bother me.

We've discussed at length that a fight with Roy was never viable, but I don't like how he implies that he really wanted it etc.

So that's my problem with Joe. It's his various comments over the years.

But the majority of my posts, are to Joe fans, who hate Roy, like Bailey ha!

I think Joe was wasted fighting the Sobot's of the world, because he was better than that. He should have moved up at 28/29 and showed the world how great he was.

So it's not that he specifically ducked a long list of fighters, but he could have pushed himself more. You could say the same about Roy, but he did more with his talent, than what Joe did with his.

I wasn't aware of the southpaw issue, until Zod's mentioned it.

I don't know anything about Vanderpool, but in my honest opinion, he should have challenged Tarver, when he wanted a new challenge in 2004, but I don't think he fancied it.

I wish Joe had've been in The Super Six.

I do feel sorry for him, that he was caught between two good era's, but that's why he should have moved up sooner.

He had a good career, but it could have been so much better. Again you could say the same about Roy, but Roy will go down as a sure fire ATG, where as Joe won't, but he could have done.

Great debating with you again.


Regards, Loudon.

 

http://www.youtube.com/embed/AWDtzdAYTOA​

On Jones
Go to 6:35​

"I'm not motivated to fight Roy Jones. It would be a downer for that to be my last fight"​

"Roy Jones is past his best."​

"Would you see that as a let down to fight Jones as your last fight?"
"Yeah.Probably."​

"Roy Jones was a great fighter, but he is not a great fighter anymore"​

On Pavlik-Taylor II
Go to 7:05​

 

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxing:+Joe+may+face+yet+another+foe.-a089417324

Frankie Liles
Beyer
Bute
Dawson
Tarver
Vanderpool

He missed ALL of them. He basically just waited for the wba and wbc belts to fall into than hands of an orthodox fighter. He needed to unify with Bute to become the undispusted smw champion

The only southy he faced was Branko Sobot:rasta

 

delete

 

Calzaghe claims kelly pavlik turned me down twice

Over at the scene

1: Calzaghe-Lacy 2006-03-04
Pavlik-Taylor I 2007-09-29

Pavlik was nothing more than a mw prospect by the time Calzaghe fought Lacy and the opponent Calzaghe made an offer to after Lacy was Jones

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=7794&more=1

2: There was a rematch clause which Taylor exercised after his first fight with Pavlik

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxing-news/Taylor_exercises_rematch_clause_with_Pavlik.html

Calzaghe is talking rubbish:hi:

 

That's cool, hope you're holiday was good :good

No fans scrutinise like boxing fans!

Fair enough, though I disagree that Floyd has ducked Manny. It's Pacquiao who keeps signing up with Bob Arum, when it's known that Bob and Floyd won't work together.

I see where you're coming from, but it's harsh to say Joe didn't put himself in the mix. Is it his fault the likes of Ottke and Hopkins turned down big money offers to face him?

Joe still felt he could make SMW after the Jones fight when he retired, so while he struggled to make weight, it didn't affect him that badly. The 175 mix wasn't that great, remember Johnson pulled out of a scheduled fight with Joe to face Roy Jones.

Did he instantly dismiss him? I think the comments you're referring to came a few years later.

Hard to say, we can only look from the outside in.

I see where you're coming from, it's hard to say as we don't have access to that information.

Remembering that Johnson pulled out of a fight with Joe in 2004, when did Tarver call Joe out in 2004? I think that's a mix up, and Tarver was only looking for the Jones rubber match at that point, so it's unlikely he would have faced Joe in 2004 anyways.

On the flipside, wasn't Jones wasting around fighting the Pazienza's and Fraziers? After beating Toney he was the man, and plenty of fighters wanted a payday against him

You know I've given Jones plenty of credit for the quality of his resume, but no-one can seriously look at Roy's opposition between Toney and Ruiz, and say he pushed himself.

skittlez made a very detailed thread regarding Jones and the fighters he didn't face, you can do it to almost any fighter

So it means he didn't want to face southpaws?? You're one of my favourite posters on here, and I'm sure you don't seriously believe that Joe purposely avoided southpaws? That sounds like a general zod argument :-(

It's a shame that the Super Six didn't come about a few years earlier. I think Joe from the Lacy fight, would have beaten Ward comfortably in an 8-4 type decision, too fast, too smart and too athletic, he would have run away with the later rounds as Ward fades.

I would have liked to see Joe face Tarver, Johnson, Hopkins a few years earlier, Jones between 2003-2004 when he was still close to the top of his game and Steve Collins. But you can't lay all the blame on Joe for those fights not coming off. Similar to where people throw a long list of names at Roy, it's not fair to simply state he avoided them all, that's not how boxing works.

Thanks mate, I look forward to your respone

 

Not at all, if anything you've just solidified his claim. Thanks for the links which clear it up, so now you basically admit you were wrong when you said Joe refused to face Pavlik. Two offers sounds pretty keen to me. Honest posts from you for a change zod :good

 

Talk about gagged

 

It's common knowledge that Calzaghe is fraud.


Calzaghe's "0" is the only ****ing thing he's got going for him, his resume is basically worthless besides that "0". If he decides to comeback and Ward knocks his punk ass out, Calzaghe will finally be laid to rest as a fraud he is.

 

Knockout,

Thank's for the reply mate, but i'll have to reply back to you tomorrow.

Regards, Loudon.