Tony Ayala 'I Never Sparred With Pipino Cuevas'

So now it wasnt a literary device and you really are trying to say that Ayala admitted it was a fabrication. Fine. D9 shut up, Pepe put up or shut up. Its as simple as that.

 

Link or admit you made up the quote.

Berger wrote the original article in KO magazine where he relayed the story of the sparring session and even quoted someone from a rival gym as having witnessed it.

Hmmm.

Then in 1981 he wrote a story on Ayala for the New York Times, interviewing Ayala from prison -- and there is no mention (to use your literary device) of the sparring either happening or not happening and absolutely no such quote.

So MAN UP AND EITHER ADMIT YOU FABRICATED THE QUOTE IN THE OP or LINK IT.

C'mon Pepe, there are only two choices here. Link it or admit you made it up.

 

My mistake, it was 1991. I will give you a link:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE5D6123AF93BA3575AC0A967958260


Now Pepe, I am very disappointed in you. Your research threads on obscure fighters have been a joy to read. Apart from your apparent anti-Ali bias, I find your posts to be among my favorites on this forum.

In this case, however, you have crossed a line and you know it. You completely fabricated a quote in the original post -- you quote Tony Ayala as saying his father made it up. You have been challenged numerous times and you cannot provide a link to any source. You made it up.

It's not that hard to admit you did something wrong -- just say you got carried away. You believe the record is clear that the Ayala-Cuevas sparring session never happened but that Tony Ayala never uttered the words that you attributed to him.

If you're man enough to admit it, I'll respect that and move on.

If you have a link and provide it, I'll scratch my head over why you didn't do so in the first place and we're good.

But if you won't do either then your credibility is completely shot with me.

So just admit it. The truth shall set you free.

 

Pepe:

We arent talking about Phil Berger. We are talking about the quotes you posted from Tony Ayala, Cuevas, and two unnamed Tx reporters.

Now you are paraphrasing yet another person, Phil Berger, without posting any citation information on that article.

I want the exact quote, exact date of the magazine, exact page, everything for all FIVE quotes now. Jeez how deep can you dig this hole?

You started out saying it was Ayala Sr who conconcted the story. Then it was Duva. Now its Berger.

You have successively quoted and paraphrased these people. Then when called on it you side with your lap dog pretending you did so as a "literary device" :-( and then you back tracked again saying they really said those things, and now you muddying the waters further by throwing in Berger.

atsch

 

To make it 100 percent clear, Pepe', tell us exactly where this quote comes from.

As the man said: what publication, what page, what paragraph. Or take the simple way out and link it.

Or just admit you made it up.

 

i don't have an issues, I was just responding to the posts you quoted of mine.

 

Hey, can someone post or send me the Chandler Interview in this mag or a link if it exists online??? Also who were they picking to win the Gomez/Pintor fight???

 

What issue of the news of cumberland county?

 

The EXACT date, Im not going to go through all of 1992. Why do you keep pussyfooting around? Post the exact date so I can get the article and post it here, just like Im going to do with the KO magazine article which DOES NOT say Ayala never sparred Cuevas.

 

Well thats funny because I have several articles written by Phil Berger about Ayala after 1983 and he never once in any of them mentioned that Ayala admitted to having never sparred Cuevas. In fact he was very consistent in that Ayala did. But according to you in 1983 he interviewed Ayala in KO magazine and Ayala admitted not sparring Cuevas?

Ill know soon enough.

I still havent seen a citation for your quotes from Cuevas and the two anonymous Texas newspapers that wrote exposes about the sparring session.

Please, dont even compare yourself to Berger. As far as I know Berger was never caught red handed lying. You have been.

The next time you write a paper which requires a citation, or publish something, try to get away with "I think it was August 1995" and see how far that gets you. Something tells me you will never be able to come up with an exact date and if you do you will be shown to have been lying.