If YOU were Joe Calzaghe, would you come out of retirement to fight Andre Ward?

Wow a true troll indeed , not even Lancy or loudon would say such crap, go find another sport to watch and comment on , that was one piece of uneducated shite..... you will soon be owned..........

 

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No worries, get back to me when you have time mate

It's like getting mad at a dog for chewing through the telephone wire, he knows no better :nut

 

How did I do that? By showing that he was clearly talking crap?

Pavlik was a year away from a title shot at mw, why on earth would Calzaghe offer him a fight at that stage?

There was a rematch clause with Taylor. How on earth is Pavlik supposed to turn that fight down? He would of got sued for 100's of thousands.

He decides to fight Jones who had turned him down back in 06 and was 0-3 in lis last three fights against name opponents:happy

 

Good post again zod, as you can see, by going through these details we can see that Pavlik turned down 2 offers and you acknowledge you were wrong when you said he wouldn't fight Pavlik :good

Good point about Jones, it was in 06 not 08, and as you implied, Jones was well back to winning ways by then

 

By winning ways do you mean the fights against Ajamu, Hanshaw and washed up Trinidad. Career defining stuff there

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Now you are trying to twist my words:nut

Part 1:
Calzaghe said himself that Jones was shot in 08 and he did not want that to be his last fight (see the vid I posted before). After his fight with Hopkins talks started for a fight with PAVLIK

joe calzaghe turns down kelly pavlik picks roy jones jr

Over at the scene

After Pavlik's destruction of Lockett Calzaghe pulled out and then decided to face Jones instead. A fighter who Joe admitted was shot. It was then that he claimed that Pavlik had tunred him down in the past, which was garbage. The fight was there to be made and he pulled out to fight a shot fighter instead

Arum was livid:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BAD+CALL%3A+CALZAGHE+AVOIDS+PAVLIK.-a0181460032


Warrren was against the Jones fight
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over at the scene

 

KOartist- You're just believing want to want to believe. A Calzaghe/Pavlik fight was speculation , much like Martnez/Ward is today.

 

Interesting points, so we know that in 2008 the fight fans wanted was Jones-Calzaghe. Which was duly delivered

But we do know before that two offers were made to Pavlik which he turned down. Thanks for clearing this up :happy:happy learning new things every day on here :good

Loudon, brilliant post mate, thanks for that, I'll get back to you as soon as I have time

 

Hi pal,

So even Frank didn't want the fight with Roy in the end?

I wasn't aware of that.


Regards, Loudon.

 

Hell no, I know I would get my ass handed to me.

 

Did he instantly dismiss Tarver? I think those quotes were a few years later. Also he would have fought Tarver, if Tarver had beaten Hopkins

You appreciate that boxing is business, and Dawson couldn't then, and still couldn't sell out a local village hall. The fight of his life against Ward, he had to sacrifice his own health to make 168, and travel into his opponents backyard when he was the legit LHW champ himself. That pretty much says it all to me, I don't even think that fight was PPV. Calzaghe was 36, he was advised to stop fighting after Kessler because of his hands, and yet he went on and had two more fights. You can do this to any fighter when they retire.

Did Lennox Lewis retire to avoid Wladimir Klitschko and Corrie Sanders? Fights that were mentioned before he retired

Did Marciano retire to duck Patterson, Johannson and Liston?

If Floyd Mayweather retires tomorrow, is he avoiding Berto and Guerrero??

You can do this to any fighter who retires as a champion. There's always the next up and comer out there. But the facts are that Dawson brought nothing to the table.

- I'm not sure that he instantly dismissed Tarver

- Ward's very good, but I don't think he could fight at Calzaghe's pace for 12 rounds, I don't think he could out-think Calzaghe in the ring

- I don't think he has the power to stop Calzaghe

- All in all, I struggle to see Ward winning this fight, but that's just my opinion. He hasn't fought anyone like Joe, and whilst they're not identical, the Hopkins that Joe beat is better than Ward anyway.

- As for Joe being scared of Ward, let's be objective - Joe wanted Hopkins in 2002, Ottke, he stepped in with Lacy and Kessler in big unification fights when he got the chance.

- He stepped in with Lacy and destroyed him. Lacy was seen as a huge puncher, and knockout artist. That's scarier then a skillful spoiler like Ward

- Joe didn't dismiss Dawson, he just said he didn't want to fight anymore. I remember the post fight interview after Jones, he said Dawson's a great talent but this was his last fight

Remember how Ward was reluctant to fight Bute, and instead opted to fight Dawson for less money, at a weight where Dawson wasn't competitive. At 168 Dawson is practically journeyman level. Bute was an undefeated champ, and that was the fight fans wanted

I take your points and respect your opinion

Joe could have done more, and at the same time it wasn't his fight certain fights couldn't get made. Same with Roy, he was in the ultimate position of power and I don't think his opposition between facing Toney to facing Tarver is what it should have been. Same with Calzaghe from Eubank-Lacy, but you can't blame them entirely

 

Hi mate,

Great post, I enjoyed reading that.

Thanks a lot!

Unfortunately, I won't be able to reply back until mon or tues.

Hope you have a great weekend!

Speak to you soon.


Regards, Loudon.