Who would you pick to beat a 130 lb mayweather?

floyd is #1 at 130 all-time in my book. had some good wins at that weight.

 

Pac: Overweight penalty of 10 million, my gloves, my entrance, etc.

Floyd: cool. we'll both do OS tests to make sure no EPO is used

Pac: *runs*

 

He's slowed and had less gas in the tank in a few ways, fewer combinations, fewer punches thrown, less lateral movement, more rests, less stepping into or sitting on his shots.

I'd say post 140 he's slowed but significantly importantly post retirement.

Also when you add weight, you can do it and maintain speed if you do it right, Mayweather slowed since going upto 147 and more since his retirement

 

Whatever you say pal.

 

Look at the timelines. :good

 

Really? He didn't take body punches against Jesus Chavez? Vargas? Castillo II? Hatton? Cotto?

IMO he has taken enough for it to be seen as a liability against Chavez. At least from a point scoring perspective.

Floyd is quite resilient at taking body shots. One of the very few things he's probably underrated at.

Good point.

True.

He'll take a few overhand rights, but imo the body work is going to be Chavez' bread and butter. Floyd is very hard to tag cleanly, repeatedly, up top.

I don't think his infighting against the very basic Jesus Chavez is anything to write home about. He took way longer to break him down than he should have if we take his infighting to be as good as is being suggested.

I think he received a bit of an infighting lesson against Castillo and became a better punch picker on the inside because of it.

As for Chavez, I think he stayed at 130 longer than he should have and had some underwhelming performances when he looked to be pretty bone dry. But you can see his skill level in his dismantling of the very good Mario Martinez, which was very early on. Can't tell much from the Roger Mayweather fight at 130, other than that Roger's chin is garbage.

Surprisingly, Chavez has had his biggest struggles against the guys that have been willing to go toe-to-toe with him and stand up to his pressure (Laporte, Lockridge, Taylor, Randall).

I can't really see Floyd fighting Chavez in that way and bear in mind a couple of those guys were naturally bigger than Floyd, at least the Floyd we are discussing that Chavez will face. By Randall he was also past his prime and psychologically a different animal from the pre-Whitaker Chavez.

Chavez is very technically precise and measured, but I think he will always have his hands full with tough volume punchers who stand the chance of outhustling him.

Again, Floyd just doesn't fight that way, and it's very hard to see him clearly defining himself from CHavez with the punch out put he's notorious for.

 

Definitely on the way out, as is his upper body flexibility.

He's had the right matches at 147/154 in recent years to get by, but he's definitely not what he was pre-140.

 

Might've been my call? Either way, agree wholeheartedly.

 

Take your **** to the general if you're going down this route. And you nearly turned the corner kiddo :-(

 

I'd say so. Cotto got too close for my liking. As for Shane, Floyd stood his ground well against a punch drunk veteran with no feet himself who'd blown his load

 

deal

 

Just rewatched the Jesus Chavez bout and whilst I remembered Chavez giving a good account of himself I never remembered it being this competitive.

Sure, as always Floyd was landing with the far better shots but Chavez did squeeze some decent leather through at times. Floyd was a class above.

 

Yeah. Had they let it go on two things would have happened: Floyd would have had a gut check fight of the year type encounter and he would have killed Chavez. Literally.

 

Yeah, Chavez tried really Hard but Floyd was tagging him clean ad infinitum in the 8th and 9th.

But that was Jesus Chavez.

 

Low power high volume guys will always look good against slick defense first counter punchers even if they're not really doing that good (think Toney-Jirov). But unlike in rock paper knives quality matters. And Mayweather was just a class above J. Chavez.