Just rewatched Froch v Bute. . .

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Maximus, Oct 27, 2012.


  1. Maximus

    Maximus TKO6 Full Member

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    and I have some observations

    1) We all know about Froch's resume, but it occurred to me, how many fighters come back from a one-sided beating like Froch did against Ward and face an undefeated and established champion immediately (and a southpaw none the less), and completely dominate? Bute himself is taking a tune-up, and countless other fighters take an easy fight to recover from their loss.

    2) How many people thought they'd be a Froch fan pre-Pascal, but are huge fans now? I just watched the fight and realised I'm a Froch fanboy and I couldn't stand him only a few years ago. It was mainly to do with him incessantly calling out Calzaghe when he didn't really have any business doing it, and he had a **** promoter so I hadn't seen any of his fights, so I assumed he was a domestic level bum.

    3) If something was wrong with Bute and he sorts it out, the rematch could be a classic. The first two rounds were cagey but entertaining. I really can't see Bute coming back from what Froch did to him, but I don't think any of us would enjoy another beatdown. Besides, a close encounter would set up the trilogy.

    4) I thought the referee (Earl Brown) was excellent. He probably should have taken a point or two from Froch for rabbit punching, but aside from that he was never looking for the 'British' stoppage and let the fight flow.

    5) Bute deserves more respect. Froch may not have elite one punch KO power, but he is heavy-handed and Bute's head was rocked back on several occasions. I'm the first to admit I'm guilty of Butard baiting, but he took a licking from Froch and he was still standing at the end.

    Any (serious) thoughts?
     
  2. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    Bute has a questionable chin and very poor survival skills. His defense isn't that great either. Lucian is a devastating body puncher, but he is not a great boxer. Carl seemed to understand all of that going into the fight. He hurt Bute in the 2nd round, and Bute never recovered. I should have seen that **** coming a mile away, like Pavlik did, but I didn't.

    Have to agree with Maximus about the fan boy stuff. I detested Froch, then respected him, then liked him, and now he is one of my favorites.
     
  3. Love that shot of Pavlik on Martinez as your Avatar.
    I have followed Froch since about fight 15 and I am of the same opinion, he was a hateable character mouthy and would constantly be fighting with his hands down by his knees. But he has proved that with a solid granite chin he can get away with it. He has never ducked anyone and often fights on the road.
    I personally think if Froch had a rematch with Ward in the near future Froch would win the rematch, he would of learnt what he did wrong and alter his tactics.
    I also blame Froch's management from the early years for his slow rise and promoting of him.
     
  4. dan4579

    dan4579 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That was a hell of a fight. I've always been a big believer in strength of opposition. If one guy has had much better opposition in recent fights, he almost always wins (Tyson-Lewis, Klitschko-Haye, ect.) The first few rounds were very tense. After that, Bute showed tremendous heart and Carl showed the will of a warrior. That was a real good night for the super middleweight division.:good
     
  5. WatchfortheHook

    WatchfortheHook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I never disliked Froch, I always found him to be pretty humorous. However, I'm a HUGE fan now. His fights are usually entertaining(unless Dirrell's ruining the party). He's very professional. Consistently takes on tough opponents. Etc. He's awesome.

    Yeh, at the moment I can't think of a guy who took a one-sided beating and then came back the next fight and annihilated an undefeated champion. That's pretty impressive.

    I thought Earl Brown did a pretty good job as well (aside from causing the confusion on whether it was a KD or TKO). He gave Lucian Bute every chance to survive.

    While Bute does deserve more respect than he gets on here, I must say, his defense was phenomenally terrible that night. Froch was displaying Floyd Mayweather Jr. accuracy in there:lol:.
     
  6. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can't watch it again, it's too depressing for me...:D
     
  7. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    One fighter that I can think of that took a brutal beating and came back is Tommy Morrison. The Duke fought only 4 months after Ray Mercer KTFO of Tommy. In fact he had some of his best wins after Mercer brutalized him.

    Froch-Taylor is one of my all time favorite fights. I like Froch, but Ward has his number and would beat him 100 times out of 100, although I would like Ward to fight someplace other than his home town once in a while. Froch travels anywhere and everywhere to fight, like a true champ.
     
  8. tobias

    tobias Well-Known Member Full Member

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    From Facebook:

    Lucian Bute * 212,244 likes
    Carl Froch * 10,987 likes

    :patsch
     
  9. Maximus

    Maximus TKO6 Full Member

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    To be fair, we all know Froch is under-rated in the UK and if there wasn justice, he would be a boxing superstar here. Bute probably has more likes because he has solid fanbases in Canada and Romania and its not like they have a plethora of champions to choose from.
     
  10. Tyler-Durden

    Tyler-Durden Boxing Junkie banned

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    Bute has more likes on facebook therefore he's a better fighter than Froch. FACT.
     
  11. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    I see you like to act like an ******.
    :lol:
     
  12. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    I think the rematch is pointless, I know people say "oh Lucian only lost cos it wasn't at the bell center" or whatever excuse.

    You know, Bute is a very good fighter, you don't comfortably handle guys like Sakio Bika and Glen Johnson if you aren't, but it was the manner of the defeat to Froch, he just had nothing, nothing to make Froch think twice, and I don't see any way he's going to improve fighting at the Bell Center.

    It's just a styles thing, Froch is a guy that isn't discouraged by Bute's power, will walk through and handle him, I was one of the few pre-fight who picked Froch and I based it on little things i'd seen of Bute, such as him getting disorganized under pressure.

    It was like Garcia vs Khan, only worse because it was never competetive, and Froch didn't even go mental like Garcia was, he took his time, and still took Bute out very early.

    People will scoff at this, but if I was Bute i'd fight Andre Ward, styles make fights, and maybe Ward has got a glass body, you never know.
     
  13. Hook!

    Hook! Proud member of team G. Full Member

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    a*
     
  14. Ilesey

    Ilesey ~ Full Member

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    No.

    Ahahaha.

    No.

    Hehehhehe.
     
  15. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He asked for serious thoughts.WTF does FB have to do with the fact that Bute is one if the hype jobs of the century?
    Just like that poof Dulorme who has obliterated my vcash with his porcelain Bute-like mandible!