If YOU were Joe Calzaghe, would you come out of retirement to fight Andre Ward?

The WBO was a new belt in the late 90's but it was always a bigger strap than the IBO ever has been. Anyone refuting this wasnt a fan of the sport at the time.

 

yeah wbc goes back decades, wbo barely got started in 1988. You in your argument are referring to smw titles ONLY, you ought to be referring to the wbo division. You've been told you are wrong about this repeatedly, loudly, into your ear, right in your face yet still failey to notice, so you are hardly going to read a direct quote from the WBO wikipedia page itself - 'From its inception in 1988 until Bernard Hopkins' victory over Oscar De La Hoya in 2004, the WBO did not allow its champions to hold the title of the three "major" sanctioning bodies, the IBF, WBA, or WBC. Up until that time, it was considered a second-tier world title and most boxers opted to fight for the more established titles. '

Obviously you've schooled the wikipedia page of the wbo as well lol. The WBO is wrong, and you Bailey are right about them. Well done Bailey in Baileyworld.

 

But the WBC Super Middleweight Belt didn't go back decades. The Super Middleweight Division only got a world title in 1984 with the IBF, it was still a relatively new division when the WBO was formed and they and the WBC commisioned their own World Titles. Between its creation in 1988 and the time Calzaghe won it in 1997 there had been 24 fights for the WBO Title, which was not less than the other titles in the division in that period, nor had the quality of the fighters challenging for the WBO been noticably weaker than those challenging for the WBC or WBA Titles during that period.

Additionally, the comment of the WBO not "allowing its champions to hold the three titles of the "major" sanctioning bodies" is not exactly true of the Super Middleweight Division because there were two unification fights between the WBO Champion and the WBC Champion - Hearn/Leonard in 1989 and Eubank/Benn in 1993 - that they finished in draws doesn't change the fact that in both those fight the WBO and WBC put their titles up for grabs against the other.

So I'm not objecting to the premise of the WBO not being the top title in the division - that was the IBF - nor am I trying to call the WBO an equal organization to the others in terms of history or influence, I'm objecting to calling the WBO Super Middleweight Title specifically worthless in 1997 when it was a title that had no less history in its division than the WBC or WBA.

 

Ha! I'm always on her i phone when we're out. It drives her mad!

I took her to Statford upon Avon in the summer, and we were sat at the side of the river in the sun, and I asked her for the phone, and she wasn't happy! Ha!

You're right, it is all hypothetical. But Joe also annoyed Glen by pulling out with a bad back. When Frank tried to get the fight back on track, Glen demanded money up front I believe.

Over the years I've read a few articles, that stated he had to come down from 14 stone, and it got harder and harder. In 2001, he was looking to move up but didn't. In 2004, Barry McGuigan stated that in his opinion, he had to move up, and Joe said the same thing himself, the same year.

I've just read recently, that Joe in 2004, was upset that Tarver and Johnson knocked Roy out. He was frustrated that he hadn't got the the opportunity to beat him, but then admits, that both of them wouldn't have beaten Roy, when he was at his best.

You may be right, but I'm certain I heard him say it on a radio interview, but I can't find anything. I think later on, when they had their war of words in 2006, and in 2008, Joe said he'd done nothing apart from a shot version of Roy.

You might be right, but I just wish that Joe had've been in the divison then, and everyone had have known how good he was. Then there would have been a big call for the fight.

I didn't know that Joe was looking to fight Glen, before he beat Roy?

I'll have to look into this.

We've been through this a lot, but in my opinion, it became impossible for Roy to unify at 168, so he moved to 175.

The men who mattered at 175, were the other belt holders, after he'd beaten Mike McCallum. He beat both of them, but couldn't get the DM fight. He then fought Harding, Gonzalez, Woods and Tarver. So apart from beating DM, he fought everyone who was relevant.

I can agree with that. But at the same time, because he couldn't get those fights that you've mentioned, I think he should have moved upto 175. Hopkins was a 160 fighter. There was no point in him staying at 168 when he couldn't fight Ottke.

Zod provides great links, and forms his own opinion based on factual information. Skittlez is a hater!

No. There's always circumstances involved. But again, Joe could have done so much more with his career. So could Roy, but Joe was too good to stay at 168 til 2008.


I'll reply to the other half a bit later.

Thanks!


Loudon.

 

didnt General Zod think that, when Superman went into the ice chamber and rendered him powerless? Zod thought Superman was losing there only to find he had been pwned.
ESBs very own Superman KO Artist has sent you running.
I think your name might have changed after the slaughtering KO Artist gave you to generally owned

You have been once again destroyed before I even arrive as MAJR has put it to you again.
A point that was missed though is that the WBA often used to strip fighters if they owned another world title, I havent seen that with the WBO though.
Once again though you fail to acknowledge that at SMW the WBO is as highly rated and had the 2 champions with the best SMW resumes

Also once again tell me how was the WBC and WBA doing more at SMW for legitimacy with this below
Consider M Beyer defending his WBC title against 26-14-5 fighter who was coming off of a win against a 0-2-0 fighter
Or that Mundine when defending the WBA title against a 24-13-5 fighter who was the same fighter that WBC champ Beyer was defending against above.

Herol Gee cannot get his head around this. Hes not the brightest

 

The fact that a Calzaghe thread lasts this long and gains this much attention proves there's an overflow of trolls here.

 

Why? Anybody that knows anything about Boxing, knows that he wouldn't have dared to do it, had they fought years earlier?

He wanted the crown jewels, when he was getting around £500,000 per fight.

He said he knew what his capabilites were etc!

He dismissed Roy in 2004, he dismissed again him in his autobiography in 2007, and again just before they fought in 2008.

Did you not see Glen Johnson dominate him, and knock him out 4 years earlier?

Dd you not see Danny Green knock him out a year after Joe had beaten him?

There's nothing to celebrate.

 

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Bailey is literally schooling you guys, you should throw in the towel, don't let the butthurt destruction of hopkins and jones take over your tedious lives, nothing will ever change the fact - ALL ROADS LEAD TO JOE CALZAGHE :yep

 

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