Was Calzaghe's masterclass V Roy Jones the most . . . . . . .

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  1. ELECTRIC GURU

    ELECTRIC GURU Active Member Full Member

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    Well we know for fact that jones took banned steroids in the Hall fight and then never gave the 2nd sample because 3 weeks later Roys legal team stated that Roy was guilty and came up with the suggestion that Roy had taken ripped fuel. The fight commissioner and WBC (?) president stated that there was no evidence that what Roy took was ripped fuel. If thats not the actions of a guilty man i do not know what is. I seem to remember reading that was the 1st time Jones was ever drug tested as a pro - now do you really believe that Roy Jones chose to juice for the only time in his entire career because he was fighting a bum like Richard Hall?
     
  2. Mind Reader

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    Actually a second test was given... And ripped fuel contains or contained something like 10 Mgs of Andro in a dose (i think thats right, I haven't seen it in a while).. Which was banned but could still be purchased in a store..

    Once Roy admitted taking ripped fuel, they decided not to go any further, because it did contain a banned substace but was over the counter. Not that it makes it right.. But it surely is not enough proof for me to dismiss what he has done as a fighter.

    And as for the argument that he declined after the Hall fight?? That is bull****, and reaching too far.

    Roy Jones had god given relflexes and speed, his punching ability... Assuming he was juiced the whole time, I am not sure I would give too much credit to roids... Many roided fighters are no Roy Jones.. There isn't some magical pill that can turn you into him.
     
  3. ELECTRIC GURU

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    I've never seen any evidence of a 2nd test being given pal, infact i read in something official (must have been either the fight commissioner or the wbc president) that jones never gave a 2nd sample after his his A test found him to be 6 times over the usual level of testosterone. I only believe official witnesses on this because the media sources are extremely unreliable with journalists willing to print roys versions of things.
     
  4. ELECTRIC GURU

    ELECTRIC GURU Active Member Full Member

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    I think if you look at the level of roys opponents after he was caught juicing then it was extremely poor for that of a man who is supposed to be p4p number 1 - you obviously are aware of the 'reluctant roy' talk by HBO. I find your 2nd line in poor taste, the steroid apologist lines on esb are really embarrassing with posters in complete denial about the advantages of juicing, these are the type of posters who really believe that was ben johnson running in 84 and that was really Lance Armstrong destroying every other cyclist on the planet.
     
  5. Mind Reader

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    You may be right..

    I believe he had to submit test for his next couple fights.. I think they stopped going after him because he admited to taking a suppliment that contained an anabolic steriod...

    Was he lying? possibly.. He may have been telling the truth too. I guess it pretty much matters to the indvidual how much stock you want to put into it, or how much a better fighter it would make him.

    Like I said, It isn't enough for me to dismiss what he has done, and label him a cheater.. It certainly is a bit of a black mark for me though, didn't look good by any means.
     
  6. Mind Reader

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    I am not a steroid apologist...

    And I know there are advantages to juicing, but like I said.. None are gonna just turn you into Roy Jones.

    I think Roy may even get the finger pointed at him a bit more, just because his abilities were so super human looking.. But that was mostly natural ability... and you can't change my mind on that...

    Look at all the other proven roiders, how many were as fast as Roy? could throw the kind of punches as Roy? Had the reflexes he did?
     
  7. ELECTRIC GURU

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    yeah thats the version i remember, roys attourney released a statement 3 weeks after the 1st sample, his legal team had obviously worked out the best strategic way out of the hole he was in and a few jones leaks to the press here and there was enough to convince his fans into religiously repeating the cover up as though it was fact. Jones also conveniantly made a donation to the indiana commission.
     
  8. Mind Reader

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    Cover up what? He admitted to taking a steroid.

    I remember reading as well that both Roy and Hall were found with Andro in their system.
     
  9. ELECTRIC GURU

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    The ripped fuel and nasal spray excuse released 3 weeks after the 1st positive test. Andro was also never released as the official drug by the indiana commission, the B sample was needed to determine what it was. The Andro thing was part of the Jones story and released to the press by the jones sources as if it was fact, as part of the carefully thought out cover up the jones legal team.
     
  10. Mind Reader

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    Admitting you took a steroid to cover up taking steroids doesn't make sense to me.
     
  11. ELECTRIC GURU

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    because he knew there was a 'get out' with the andro story in the fact that it was only classed as a steroid by the IBF.
     
  12. HerolGee

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    Guru.

    Just one thing to add - anabolic steroids dont increase reflexes and speed, nor stamina. They increase muscle mass, and therefore exertion strength alone. Incidentally, if taken long term they decrease stamina due to changes in heart muscle shape and thus efficiency.

    Now carry on, please.
     
  13. ELECTRIC GURU

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    You heard the phrase "faster, stronger, for longer" pal? :lol: Please no more steroid apologists on here for ****s sake :patsch
     
  14. HerolGee

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    yeah.. no

    I am telling you a fact, either accept it or carry on writing 'no more steroid apologists blindly'.

    Keep up the good work on the thread, but dont make your work look stupid. It doesnt look good to medical professionals at the moment.
     
  15. ELECTRIC GURU

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    Thats right pal, elite athletes around the world are willing to completely destroy their entire reputation by taking substances that will make them perform to a lower level :lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl