Haye vs Holyfield - Who Beat Valuev Better?

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  1. ashl3y72

    ashl3y72 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    We all know Holyfield was shamefully robbed of ATLEAST an 8-4 verdict over Valuev. he made him look ******ed, no offense to Sugar.

    what was your hayes scorecard? who was more dominant? let it rip fellas :bbb
     
    ashl3y72, Oct 30, 2012
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  2. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Holy took it to him and won easy. Haye made it WAY harder than it should have been. Holyfield for me.
     
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  3. JMP

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    Holyfield won more rounds and made it look easier. SNV was beyond abysmal.
     
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  4. RockyMarciano

    RockyMarciano Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Haye never deserved the decision
     
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  5. ashl3y72

    ashl3y72 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    prime holy would cream both easy :deal
     
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  6. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    holy was robbed in that fight, for what ever reason holy has always knew how to fight taller men. from bowe to lennox and big george, holy beat the giant easy that night. 8rds to 4 at the very least. holy might have retired after that fight to, went to russia to be the only thay could beat the giant. way to **** up a perfect ending to a legendary boxer.
     
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  7. Povetkinfan

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    In reality, Valuev perhaps deserved the decision in both fights. As to who did better against him, then I'd say Holyfield, because he fought a better version of the giant [pre knee operation & developing shoulder problems]. Haye won 2 rounds clearly [1 & 12], the others nothing happened, other than Valuev chasing after him.
     
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  8. McGrain

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    More than 90% of ringside scorecards were in favour of Valuev.
     
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  9. PivotPunch

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    Holyfield was more impressive
     
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  10. damian38

    damian38 BigDramaShow Full Member

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    Chagaev beat SNV more impressively than Holy and Haye
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, Chagaev did look more impressive. Wound up pretty close that fight though.
     
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  12. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Holyfield never appeared to be really 'in' the fight. He seemingly missed the will to win. He was just letting the fight pass by him and therefore I think he deserved a close but clear loss.
     
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  13. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can not believe what some posters are saying about Holy fight, he landed combinations while Valuev couldnt land anything until later rounds, was Holy very active no but he was the one landing, and showed how to fight in and out and Valuev could not catch old Holyfield.
     
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's ON TV. IN the stadium where the judges sit, almost EVERY observer including Ring (116-112) had it for Valuev. Valuev won the fight according to everyone that SAW it in the stadium.

    Trial by internet, that fight.
     
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  15. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Seriously, Holyfield had 2-3 rounds in the first half where he looked active and threw series that looked good.

    But after that he ran out of gas and resorted to just tip-toeing around the ring without throwing anything, I mean he went down to a punch output of ZERO. He basically allowed Valuev to take all the later rounds by simply pawing out his jab in Holyfield's face.
     
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