Hearns right on Hagler instead of Duran

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  1. MAG1965

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    Hagler was smart to get Hearns to throw punches wildly. Not that he planned for Hearns to break is hand, but had Hearns had a slower paced fight he would have been able to time that right hand. Hagler knew he had to fight wild and he put his all mentally and physically into the fight. But you could tell just how that first punch hurt Hagler, had Tommy not broken his right hand he might have been able to keep on hurting Marvin.
     
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    "I'm gonna break every bone in Tommy Hearns body."

    "Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against Tommy, Marvin?"

    "...not really."
     
  3. Clinton

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    Really? Based on what evidence? No question it was a helluva shot, but Hagler was hit cleanly by big punchers before and after he fought Hearns, and besides never being knocked out, the only knockdown Hagler suffered was when he was off balance coming in against Roldan. There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate any punch that Tommy WOULD HAVE landed, would have caused Hagler to be "counted out".
     
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    Wobbly... I never saw hagler wobbly in this fight or any fight really. As far as the question goes... nothing would've happened to Hagler.. it just would've pissed him off
     
  6. Waynegrade

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    Are you kidding ? I was at the fight live and believe me, Hearns broke his right hand bagibng it off MMH rock solid whiskers... He landed that bomb a few times in round 1. First off, he never staggered Hagler . Second after that Hagler walked through him and through anything Hearns fired away with. Hagler had one of THE best chins in the history of boxing. A weel after the fight Hearns was saying averyone but Hagler knows he had a knoclout punch and said he was looking for the ringpost to hit him as well. Hearns landed the shots, hagler walked right through them...
     
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    He was not even wobbled... Hagler took bombs from them ALL without ever getting staggered. Briscoe,Hart,Monroe, Mugabi, too many to list. f anyone thinks the results could have been any different, you need to watch it again.
     
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    BTW, it wasn`t Hagler`s `neck` muscles. But, Goody told me that once early on in Haglers career, they noticed something on a cat scan. Haglers skull was actually thicker than that of a normal skull. Goody thought that played a part in Hagler being able to withstand anyone`s shots without blinking.
     
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    Yep right ! Never was actually floored and Hearns Ko`s him. Perfect !
     
  10. 80s champs

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    Just a simple question,the duran punch from hearns catching hagler solid on the chin,just like in the way duran was posed.The Hagler that fought hearns was very prepared to rush him and make him fight,and would not allow the hitman to chase,which is where he gets his leverage. awe whatever lol:huha shame a rematch never happened.
     
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    Being there and seein it live and countless times watch it. In the first round, Hearns had his shot land on MMH`s chin. Hagler absorbed it, walked through him, and left him crumpled on the canvas... Does anyone really think that in a rematch, hearns would fare any better ? It was CLEARLY established that Hagler COULD take Hearns shot. Also that Hearns could not take Hagler`s pressure or inside work . Is everyone forgetting what an incredible chin Hagler had ??????? And next time, or with a perfect punch, Hearns Ko`s Hagler ? Hagler beats him each and every time out ...
     
  12. MAG1965

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    Nice that you went to that fight. Well that first first big punch wobbled him. I am not sure where in the stadium you were at , but I have a better view of fights I have been to live then when I went home to watch it on tv than when I was actually watching it live. .Hagler had to get his legs back a little , but he recovered well and fast and kept punching. Hearns never hurt him much again, although Hagler was getting tired in round 3, but Hearns was ready to go. I am as sure of Hagler being hurt as I am of when the cut happened in round one.
     
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    honestly. I think Hearns had a chance. A good one. The fact Hagler came out so aggresive shows that he knew if he fought a slower paced fight Hearns would be able to land the jab and pick him apart and land a leveraged right because Tommy would get some range, and Hagler said I wanted to stay close and tuck my chin in. That style put him close to Tommy so Tommy had to fight backing up and off balanced and close, something Barkley did also. When Roldan fought Hearns like that, Tommy had a hard time lining him up for a big punch also, but then Tommy was more calm and held Roldan and landed eventually with body punches but Roldan was no Hagler obviously. With Barkley in the first and second fights, had Tommy had a round or two in the rematch more he would have stopped Barkley as he would have in 1988 with a round or two and not being careless.

    I think Hagler knew he put his all mentally and physically in his fight with Hearns and that he could not do that again. He might have been able to beat him, but the rematch would be a slower pace and Hearns would have been able to establish a jab and picked apart Marvin. Marvin was swelling after round one a little, and in round 3 he looked somewhat swelled on his left side. I could very well see Hearns beat Hagler if the fight were a slower pace. At that fast pace it favored Marvin. No way do I see Marvin winning everytime out. Regardless of Marvin winning, Tommy hit him easily. I remember that, and a slower pace. Well who knows. Remember Marvin is the guy who won the fight, and he felt he had to fight Tommy aggressive or he would not win.
     
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    Hearns knocked out guys other people could not. You have to remember, Hagler fought that style of brawling as a tactical decision. And Hearns saw Hagler come out that way and saw it as an opportunity to land his big punch. The stronger middleweight won. But to think the rematch would have resembled that fight at all I don't think so. Hagler never wanted to fight Hearns again, and he would have had to fight him again since Hearns beat Shuler who was number one contender. It was a great fighter, but not your typical superfight. This was a wild punching brawl in round one and this rarely happens. It made the fight outcome more random than had they fought their typical styles.
     
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    The punch Hearns landed on Duran would never have landed on Duran if Duran had not been hurt. Duran would have ducked it like Leonard did in round 3 in 1989 after he was knocked down. Sort of like the last punch Hagler landed on Hearns would have never hit Hearns when Tommy was not hurt. They were finishing punches, but not punches a top guys like Hearns or Duran gets hit with when they are not hurt.