VIDEO: Juan Manuel Marquez Knocks Down Sparring partner against a Lefty!

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I agree with everything you've said, and it reinforces the point that Marquez isn't Bradley; even though Manny may close the distance better by stepping over like I observed, because Marquez is always close to Manny, his lateral movements are much more effective and take away Manny's ability to get the angle himself. Unless he becomes impatient and gets baited, he's got this.
     
  2. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I have'nt seen Marquez get impatient once in his 3 fights with Pacquiao.

    What he did do in the 2nd fight was go for the gusto and try to lay it on thick against Pacquiao before Pacquiao was ripe for the taking.

    I guess you can sort of call that getting impatient, but I really dont look at it that way in that Marquez could'nt miss Pacquiao with his multishot combinations that imo it was more of a matter of Marquez just could'nt help himself letting his hands go on an opponent that was that easy to hit.

    But of course, against an opponent the caliber of Pacquiao, Marquez has to remind himself what Pacquiao is capable of if he himself opens up to much. Marquez did exactly that in fight 3.
     
  3. Bogotazo

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    Right, fight 3 was the right template. And he could probably still be more aggressive weaving his way towards the inside and getting shots in before regaining control of the center of the ring without losing his cool and forgetting to take his foot off the gas.
     
  4. divac

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    Marquez could do that. But really, he did'nt need to do more than what he did in fight 3 when it was he who was landing everything that was effective.

    To go into a fight with Pacquiao with the mindset of this is what I need to do to box his pants off, but I have to do more than that because the judges want Pacquiao to win and thus will give him any benefit.

    Marquez cant go in it with that mindset because that will play right into Pacquiao's hands.

    When a boxer like Marquez is controlling the happenings of the ring, you let it flow to get into a comfort zone, from there allready controlling the ring, your force Pacquiao to come to you and take from the aggression that Pacquiao offers.
    If Pacquiao offers extreme aggression, you hammer him with extreme counters. If he offers good aggression, you hammer him with good counters.

    Marquez is allready dictating and landing whats effective when Pacquiao is not. From there, the counterpuncher is in a position to take what the aggressor offers. If its minimal aggression as was the mode from Pacquiao after he just could not solve Marquez, Marquez is within his rights to keep on just outboxing and keep on landing off of the little aggression Pacquiao offers.

    When Marquez is the only one landing clean and hard, he does'nt need to up and force Pacquiao to up the tempo.

    Come foward forced aggression by Marquez is turning the play in Pacquiao's favor, and Marquez does'nt need to do that when he's allready landing the only clean hard shots of the fight.

    The one thing Marquez cant do is let the judges dictate how he has to fight. If he did that, he'd have to get reckless and go for the KO against Pacquiao.
    The best Marquez can do if he's smart is fight his fight and let the fans and real boxing scribes judge who won the fight, because the judges are sure not going to play it fair.
     
  5. ThaWiseJester

    ThaWiseJester Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Juan whoops Pac now all the sudden he is on roids,a Pac fan claiming someone else uses Roids! :patsch
     
  6. EpsilonAxis

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    Watching Marquez box is seriously like watching great artwork be painted.
     
  7. ayala

    ayala Boxing Addict Full Member

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    he does look stronger than before
     
  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    The thing is regardless, I think he's going to want to throw just a little more to convince the judges. Despite masterfully countering Manny throughout the 3rd fight, he also came forward plenty taking the lead in spots, jabbing his stomach while pivoting out and landing uppercuts and combinations through the guard before maintaining distance again. Wouldn't be surprised if we saw a bit more of that, or a bit more follow-up on the counters, without being reckless. The only way Manny feeds off of his aggression is if he can bait him and/or catch him reaching, which isn't as likely to happen if the exchange is initiated on JMM's terms.
     
  9. texboxing00

    texboxing00 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So what if JMM did win? I hope he does but I can't imagine JMM having his hand held that would be epic. I mean what would he say to pac " AAAAAAAAHHHHH I got you now" lol or what would pac say. I just can't see how pac said he won the last fight (when we all knew he didin't) but would agree JMM won if he was given the nod. Any way hope it happens, Jmm diserves it, any boxer diservers a victory they honestly won.
     
  10. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pacquiao fought much too reserved the first fight. After taking an L to Bradley, he really has nothing to lose. He might open up more this time and im sure we are going to see someone get ktfo or at least knocked down. Marquez is coming for the ko so this should be fireworks
     
  11. JDK

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    Marquez is not KOing Pacquiao. That should not be expected.
    He does want to hurt Manny and take advantage of situations where he'll look more convincing of winning to the judges, but he knows damn well a KO is highly unlikely.
    Just like the previous fight, I think Manny still has plenty of physical advantages (among other perks) that he should see the fight to the end and most likely win if Marquez doesn't surprise us again.
     
  12. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Pacquiao doesnt fight with more urgency and take more risks than he did in the 3rd fight, he will lose a decision. Marquez is displaying even more power and speed these days and is extremely motivated in knocking Pacquiao out. I think its def possible but Pac has recently fought very cautious and controlled so whether we see a ko or not will depend on how much Pac is willing to risk. This fight is definitely a toss-up.
     
  13. JDK

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    ^ I agree Manny would need to be aggressive to win this time around. And doing so, Marquez would make more contact thus adding his chances of a TKO. But Marquez style is to accumulate several combos on his opponents and tearing them down the long road. Doesn't matter how his weight has helped his punching power. He does not have single punch KO material.
    As soon as Marquez lands, Manny will revert back to his half assed boxing/lunging in and out. He's not as dumb as he looks and would not keep pressuring Baby Bull Diaz style.
    Just a styles thing. Styles say there will not be a KO.
    (Slightly higher chances that JMM is KOed)
     
  14. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But speed kills man. That right hand he knocked this dude down with was some serious ****. Marquez will be faster and even more prepared than before and Pacquiao not so much. Marquez doesnt have one punch ko power but hes a great finisher. I could see Pac being over aggressive and getting caught and maybe knocked down. This is going to be a Pacquiao Morales I type fight i think, firing on all cylinders
     
  15. JDK

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    The KD in the vid. is more timing than anything else. (Well that and the fact that the person was not Manny). That's just Marquez being Marquez.
    I'm glad he's focusing on his right hand lead. He might hurt Pacquiao, but finishing him will not be on the table.
    I'm glad you're excited about this fight because after 3 fights, I can't seem to find the motivation.