The Brawl in Montreal - who would defeat Duran on that night?

Tokyo Tyson 1 was the Tyson who KO'd Tubbs in 2 round. That Tokyo Tyson might well beat Tokyo Douglas. Mike was at his best at 21.

As for Leonard-Duran, you could just as easily say the second fight "wasn't the real Duran".

 

good post

 

I expect Duran to lose anyway. As in, he'll have some success on the inside, but important parts of the fight will be fought in the center of the ring.

 

I don't see how Floyd escapes one of the best pressure fighters in history with his linear habits.

 

Floyd isn't exactly Vitali Klitschko with moving straight back. I can't get over Duran's trio of loses to boxers in his prime.

 

I have a hard time favoring Douglas. Just on the uppercut which landed in round 8, and how sure I am Tyson would land his punch early like he did on everyone including Larry Holmes, who I think had a better jab than Douglas. Douglas had a decent right hand ,but otherwise everything else Larry did better.

 

same way Leonard or Benitez did. Use movement, handspeed and holding to land his punches and avoid Duran's. I would mention Hearns, but Hearns beating Duran was sort of unorthodox as far as how others have beaten Duran, but had Tommy wanted to outbox Duran he would have.

 

ok Tokyo Tyson 1 was Tubbs. I forgot about that, but now I remember. I remember how quiet it was in the arena in round one watching it on HBO. You could hear the punches.

 

Mayweather isn't as unorthodox as either guys, and nor is he as natural a welter as these guys are, farrrrr from it, actually.

 

Ray always fought moving his legs a little. When he had a guy who was easy to hit he would stay in front of him and tee off, but when he had to he moved. With Duran in the first fight he stood and fought him and in the rematch he moved and won easily. Ray was a different fighter and better fighter than all those guys who you mentioned, and Cuevas was washed up when he fought Duran and 3 years from when he held the title. Palomino would never beat Duran or any elite fighter like Duran or Hearns.

 

Yeah i know. I always thought the mindset of Floyd and his style could beat Duran. Wilfred Benitez and Floyd are not too dissimilar, although Wilfred fought better guys than Floyd has. Wilfred was a master vs. Duran.

 

No matter how hard you weigh the losses, they have little bearing on the reality that Duran, being a more skilled pressure fighter than Floyd has ever fought, would corned him more often than any of those fighters, and once there, out-do him on the inside.

15 rounds and Ray couldn't do a thing, he's smart enough to adjust to win in his favor as he had many times before. Whether in the center of the ring or against the ropes, he couldn't do a thing. Only when he knew Duran was ill-prepared could he clown like that.

You can take virtually any fighter who lost a bout and say "if they tweaked this or fought like that, they could have won." They were both in top shape and had 15 rounds to sort it out. Leonard had no choice in how the fight was being fought.

I don't see your point in pointing out Cuevas and Palomino were inferior to Duran. We know that, he beat them.

 

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