Muhammad Ali was one helluva fighter

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  1. Senor Pepe'

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    Cassius Clay was 'always' white,,,,,,,,,, just not in America.

    As you can see in the Japan released photo, Clay's 'bronzing agent' had not been applied.
     
  2. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A fraud. Not 1 genuine win since the Doug jones fight

    Jones - lost dec. Judges were in on it
    Cooper- Cheated
    Liston- Retired on stool for money
    Liston 2 - Took dive for money
    Patterson - FP had a bad back, shouldnt have fought
    Chuvalo - George won this but judges were on Ali's payroll
    Cooper 2- Beer money fight, shoulda fought Amos Lincoln
    London - Another beer money fight, shoulda fought thad spenser
    Mildenberger - Another gift, shoulda fought leotis martin
    Williams- Another beer money fight, for Williams
    Terrell - Shouldnt have won, called ernie names, shoulda fought Brian London again anyway
    Zora Folley - Older than george Burns and fought like it. Shoulda fought Wayne Bethea instead
    Quarry - Notorious bleeder who was handpicked by Ali's team. Prematurely stopped. Shoulda fought Tommy Farr anyway
    Bonavena- Won by TKO when ref mistook Oscars playing possum for him being out on his feet. Shoulda fought Jem Mace anyway
    Frazier - Finally exposed as a bum by one of the toughest fighters to ever live who was in his ultimate prime that night in a bout still called F.O.T.C.


    There's 1963 to 1971 covered. Not mentioned are his highly questionable wins pre 63 over tunney hunsaker, sonny banks, charlie powell,Alex miteff and 145yr old archie moore.

    Nor are his post 71 wins/gifts mentioned like;
    Norton 2 and 3 - Judges on the take
    Foreman KO - ropes were too loose, too warm, and was ahead on points prior to the KO by simply lying on the ropes doing zilch
    Frazier 3 - Was bein ass-whipped by Frazier. Even his glove was beating beat by Fraziers gumshield forcing it to fly outta the ring. Bought eddie futch to stop a fight that joe was winning. Shoulda fought number 81 ranked Danny mc Alinden instead.
    Jimmy Young - lost every round
    Earnie shavers - judges were on the take



    His only genuine win was over Richard Dunn.

    This is fact
     
  3. devon

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    I'm sorry but what the **** are you talking about?
     
  4. LittleRed

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    Johhmaff wrote possibly the single most accurate post on Ali in esb history.
     
  5. Senor Pepe'

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    He was damn perfect.........:good

    Of course, he conveniently forgot the Tony Esperti bout.

    A total fix...
     
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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft7PuJHftNE[/ame]
     
  7. Boggle

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    Yeah, good call on Jem Mace.
    He called Frazier names too.
    And in Frazier 2 the ref was on the take.
    Ali's actual record: 17 wins, 44 losses.
     
  8. Senor Pepe'

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    JM,,,,,,

    What was your call, with Antonio Inoki -

    Muhammad said every round-eye'd person had him winning by 2-points.
     
  9. johnmaff36

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    Ali didnt fight fair. Wouldnt let Inoki get up off his back for the entire fight
     
  10. red cobra

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    In my observation, SNV is a big man.
     
  11. ron u.k.

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    He also resorted to fighting the Beatles
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    One of the greatest boxers ever.
    One of the greatest showmen ever.

    He made some terrible mistakes pertaining to his wealth and health though. There's a lesson to be learned there.
     
  13. frankenfrank

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    It may B , excepting de red parts
     
  14. dyna

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    What would happen if Klitschko called out Ali's opponents?



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    wouldn't be allowed nowadays as heavyweight because one or both opponents were below 200 lbs at the time of the bout. In other words they would run as cruiser fights (or below) and Klitschko wouldn't be allowed to stage them.


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    x against opponents LIGHTER than Eddie Chambers (Wladimir Klitschko's lightest opponent), thus today's fans would shout "they should move down to cruiserweight" and "it's proof of how the division sucks" or what a mismatch it is.


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    wouldn't be allowed for medical reasons: Joe Frazier was blind on his left eye and Cleveland Williams was gunshot. Another proof of the "dire state of the division"


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    was a bum ยท[url]Charley Powell[/url] (25-11) which would be another proof for the "worst era in heavyweight boxing"


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    were against guys coming off a loss (Ron Lyle, Alvin Lewis) and fans would accuse Wlad of "cherry-picking".


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    were against [url]Sonny Liston[/url] and fans would speculate about how the mob or Wladimir's radical Muslim friends have illegally influenced the outcome, since both endings (shoulder injury, phantom punch) were highly suspicious. Fans would complain that Sonny Liston didn't come to fight since he chickened out as soon as he saw fit.


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    fight was against an opponent who gassed in the heat and sultriness of the rain season in the rain forest (George Foreman) and fans would shout "Lame, nowadays heavies cannot go 15 rounds anymore like Joe Louis".
     
  15. groove

    groove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    don't forget the ref handing this win to ali. very poor decision

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