Who's the most over-rated fighter you have ever seen?

The ONLY great fighter during his title reign was Holyfield who he was pencilled to fight before he went to prison.
When Tyson was undisputed champion, Lennox and Bowe were just coming out of the olympics.

He beat Larry Holmes much more convincgly than anyone ever did. Same Larry Holmes who beat Ray Mercer much better than Lennox Lewis.

Tyson didnt duck anyone, he fought the best fighters of his era, Holmes, Holyfield and Lewis :hi:

 

I completely disagree.
Lamon Brewster 6'2, 226 lbs, 33-3.
Sam Peter 6'2, 244 lbs 26-0.
Ruslan Chagaev 5'11, 225 lbs, 25-0 (south paw).
David Haye 6'3, 210 lbs 25-1.
Sultan Ibragimov 6'2, 219 lbs 22-0 (south paw).
Calvin Brock 6'2, 224 lbs 29-0.
Jameel Mccline 6'6, 263 lbs, 28-2.
Tony Thompson 6'5, 241 lbs, 31-1 (south paw).
Eddie Chambers, Chris Byrd, Botha, Ellisio Castillo...why couldnt some if not all of those guys be in right in the mix in the 90s? Maybe you call that a list of nobodies, but I certainly dont. I feel that the feeling that the Klitschkos fight nobodies is because they are always favored, which says more about the Klitschkos, Wladimir in particular, than it does about there opponents. Especially considering their opponents records and attributes. If dominating that opponent list is "semi decent", what does that make Tyson? A bum? Sure wish I was semi decent :roll:

 

Tyson was hardly overrated
against mutual opponents with:
Foreman: Tyson always performed better with the exception of Holyfield.
Lewis: Both had success against Tucker, Bruno, Ruddock, Botha and Biggs. What sets them apart is Lewis against Holyfield.
Bowe: Tyson performed better against mutual opponents, exception once again Holyfield.

The only guy who would always give Tyson trouble was Holyfield.

Tyson lost to Lewis a whole 14 years since his peak performance against Spinks.

He lost to Holyfield 10 years after winning his first title and 5 years after prison.

Look what Tyson did to Golota, the guy who beat the living daylights out of Riddick Bowe

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Alex Stewart ripped Foreman a new hole, Lou Savarese took Foreman the distance. Tyson disposed both of them within one round.

 

Nothing that dan4579 says has any weight to it as he just doesn't have the full picture. Tyson's record is far superior than Wlalds. And would also KHTFO within one exchange.

 

So why didnt Mike fight Foreman then if it was so easy? Foreman was running around trying to get that fight as early as 1989. Larry Holmes was coming off a two year retirement without a tune up fight. Using that 4th round KO as a testament to Mike's greatness is quite a reach. Im not saying Mike wasnt an excellent heavyweight, Im just saying he wasn't an ATG, or even a real "his time great". It doesnt matter that he was in prison when Bowe came up. That's totally Mike's fault, and yet another reason why he wasnt a great heavyweight. Along with his training lapses. Poor work ethic is NOT an excuse, its a bad attribute just like having a bad chin or slow hands. Fact is, the guy is held up as if he is an all time great, even though he wasnt the best, second best, or third best of his OWN ERA. How old was Tyson when he fought Lewis? How old Was Lewis? Like I stated, Mike did KO a very good former light heavyweight, Mike Spinks, in one round. Pretty good stuff. He also KO'd Chris Jerrico on Monday Night Raw with one shot, and defeated Little Mac in the first round numerous times. Pretty good accomlishments, but what Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, Moorer, Douglas and Foreman did is based in reality, not a big over blown myth. Hence, Mike is very good, but vastly OVER-RATED.

 

Did you ever give me an example of the decent super heavyweight Mike ever KO'd in the first round, or even KO'd at all? Can you name me the 5'11, 220 lb fighter or smaller that ever gave Wladimir trouble? See, you are liveing in a fantasy land of Tyson ball sweat. When you are ready to deal in fact, examples, or back up your argument in any logical way, let me know. :roll:

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Mike Tyson never KO'd a decent super heavyweight in any round, in any fight. Never ever. Not once. Yet he would blast out a super heavyweight of Wladimirs caliber in the first exchange? You are a complete ****ing moron, Dinovelvet, and I have absolutely no respect for your opinion or intelligence. That is an absolute certainty. Im sorry for your mother.

 

You're obviously a little kid and have no idea what you are talking about. You're guided by statistics on boxrec. You got zero understanding of styles or boxing technique.

 

Hahaha, getting all emotional are you , ****ing sad little puppy.

 

I gotta admit, I am pretty amazed at how ****ing stupid you are. How you can watch Mike waltz to decision or get KO'd against every single big tall decent heavy weight he ever fought, aside from the ones who knocked him the **** out, and then declare he would blast out Wladimir in the first exchage...its really mind blowing. And then you pretend you are all smart and Im the one who doesnt understand "styles" and ****. I mean wow. Go watch some tape of Mike fighting Tucker, Green, Smith, Douglas, Lewis, Ruddock...tell me wich big guy he fought is the evidence that he would blast out Wladimir in the first exchange. Actually dont. I dont need to know how your warped, Tyson mythical love affair works. Dont forget your parting gift...

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tyson, rjj, pacman

 

Only thing laughable is your lack of boxing knowledge.

 

Because Tyson had the superfight with Holyfield looming first of all and secondly Foreman was thought of as a joke, it was only his heroic performance against holyfield that put him on the map. Holyfield was always more of a priority to Team Tyson than Foreman ever was. If Sugar Ray Leonard came out of retirement today to fight Mayweather, nobody would care because the fight everybody wants to see is Mayweather/Pacqiuo.
Theres a reason why Tyson/Holyfield was called 'Finally'.

Larry Holmes boxed a 15 round exhibition fight before he fought Tyson. If your coming out of a 4 year retirement with no tune ups to fight Mike Tyson, then thats your fault. Larry Holmes would go on to fight for years to come, nobody ever came close to knocking him out again. No Holyfield, nor Mercer nor Mcall. Holmes himself said hed fight anyone, but hed never fight tyson again, ever.

Tysons isnt a great heavyweight for his poor work ethic? but then you mention Riddick Bowe in the same sentence? Was it Mike Tyson who was smiling at Rahman before he was knocked out? Its not Tysons fault then that fatass lazy Bowe was shot by 97 and struggling against Golota...a guy who QUIT after 1 round with Tyson.

Where was Mike Tyson in his career and where was Lennox Lewis? Tyson had looked awful in his previous fight with Nielson, there was already calls for his retirement.Lennox had just beaten Tua, Rahman and would go on to beat Vitali. When Lennox was just turning pro, what was Mike Tyson doing?

Tyson/Spinks was a superfight that the world had waited for, between 2 undefeated heavyweights who both had claim to the title. Ring Magazine had Spinks as their champ, Ali and Eddie Futch picked Spinks to win. There was widespread rumours that Tyson was ducking Spinks. Tyson ended all rumours in 91 seconds.
Tyson/Spinks was a multimillion dollar superfight, Tyson/Jericho is a scripted joke.

Basically, you havent got a ****ing clue what your talking about. You havent answered a single point i stated earlier about Tyson against mutual opponents with the above. Yet you come here blabbering about myth.
Moorer? what is Moorer known for? Getting koed by Foreman, thats hardly something to brag about.

1989 Ring Magazine Heavyweight Rankings

1. Mike Tyson
2. Evander Holyfield
3. Michael Dokes
4. Francesco Damiani
5. Tim Witherspoon
6. Orlin Norris
7. James (Buster) Douglas
8. Carl Williams
9. Razor Ruddock
10. Gary Mason

1991 Ring Magazine Heavyweight Rankings

1. Evander Holyfield
2. Mike Tyson
3. Riddick Bowe
4. Razor Ruddock
5. Ray Mercer
6. George Foreman
7. Tim Witherspoon
8. Tony Tucker
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Michael Moorer

1995 Ring Magazine Heavyweight Rankings

1. Riddick Bowe
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Mike Tyson
4. Michael Moorer
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Bruce Seldon
7. Frank Bruno
8. George Foreman
9. Alexander Zolkin
10. Henry Akinwande

1996 Ring Magazine Heavyweight Rankings

1. Evander Holyfield
2. Lennox Lewis
3. Mike Tyson
4. Michael Moorer
5. Andrew Golota
6. Ray Mercer
7. Henry Akinwande
8. David Tua
9. Riddick Bowe
10. Tim Witherspoon

1997 Ring Magazine Heavyweight Rankings

1. Holyfield
2. Lewis
3. Tyson
4. Moorer
5. Golota
6. Mercer
7. Awkinwande
8. Tua
9. Bowe
10. Witherspoon

Unifying three belts and cleaning out your division in 2 years, is not a myth. :hi:

 

Azzer85 , great work. That guy has no clue.
How do see prime Mike against Wlad playing out?

 

Ah yes, the legendary Wladmir Klitskcho, a guy who has beat a whole host of ATGS like.......