Reason's Why Wladimir Klitschko Is Not An ATG

I'm not exactly a member of the Wlad fan club,but that's a **** post.

 

oh dear popkins, this is ******ed even by your standards atsch

 

I'd agree with you that Wlad lacks an inside game and doesn't hold up well under pressure. I'd also agree that 3 ko losses hurt him, but I wouldn't classify Sanders and Brewster as average they were solid-good fighters. I definitely agree that his current stretch of fights is a step backwards for him and doesn't do muich to improve his all time standing and there are some good young heavies coming up that he should start to set his eyes on.

I'd disagree in that there is a greater emphasis on accomplishment over skill. It takes skill to rack up his accomplishments and Wlad may not have an inside game but he truly has a great outside game. He's taken his tools like size, speed, jab, etc and become very effective at doing what he does best. Its not always exciting but he is very good at winning from the outside.

I don't think not having any great moments carries a lot of weight in deciding a great fighter or not. I also don't think you have to beat a great fighter to become great. Guys like Johnson, Dempsey, Tyson, Holmes, etc never beat a great fighter at/near their peak and they are in almost every top 15 list you'll find. Wlad has been a dominant heavy for a long time while beating a number of good fighters-that can qualify you as a great fighter.

I guess a lot depends on what you consider an all-time great to be. I think Wlad is a lock for top 15 right now and maybe higher. Considering there have been tens of thousands of heavyweights and he's one of the 15 best than that alone would be a solid argument for being an all-time great heavyweight.

 

I made it to "not" in the title.

 

But a load of ATG heavyweights don't have any top opponents on their resumes, what great's near their prime did the likes of Tyson,Marciano beat?

 

He's an ATG Heavyweight. That really can't be denied. He certainly must rank as one of the top 15 in that division's history. I think I'd have him at 11 or 12.

P4P? Nah. I'd consider maybe about 8 or so natural Heavies to be genuine, P4P greats, and Wlad isn't one of them.

 

I think the fact that he hasn't beaten any ATGs and only one HOFer in David Haye makes his record quite thin, plus unlike Vitali, he never had the chance to show that he is good enough to go toe to toe with an ATG.

 

Tyson beat Holmes and Spinks.

Yes, Holmes was past it but he's still a legit ATG and a solid win on Tyson's resume considering his work post the Tyson fight.

Exactly WHO has Wlad ever beaten?

 

Really?

Based on what criteria?

 

A load of bullshits. Didn't even read

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How does Dempsey still enter ATG lists?

 

Would you call John l Sullivan a hw atg?