Referee - Tony Perez 'I Should Have DQ'd Muhammad Ali'

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    If Frazier believed Ali had no zip or sting on his punches? How come he looked like a gargoyle after the fight?
    Was Perez hitting him?
    If you truly believe this, maybe it's you who has impaired vision.
     
  2. mcvey

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    That's two great black boxing heroes you believe got the benefit of dishonest judges/referees .
    Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali. Good job Martin Luther King didn't box.
     
  3. Lord Tywin

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    A gargoyle? Frazier had a slight swelling by his right eye from the Ali jabs, and a slight swelling around his mouth. He hardly looked like a gargoyle, or like he had walked into a bees nest.

    He certainly looked nowhere near as bad as he did in the first fight (which he won) or the third fight. Besides, since when is swelling indicative of a winner?

    Frazier had a tendency to swell even in some fights he won fairly handily.
     
  4. Senor Pepe'

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    Round 3

    Supposedly the Round after Muhammad Ali hurt Mr. Frazier.

    It was Mr. Frazier who was pressing and winging, as Mr. Ali retreated and
    punched, and of course 'cuffed' like a 'dirty man'.

    The 'unclean' fouling continued, with an incredible '12' behind the neck cuffs,
    and at least '4' times Mr. Ali used a 'filthy' pull down tactic.

    Shocking, a total of '51-seconds' Mr. Ali was clocked cuffing Mr. Frazier behind
    the neck.

    Not 'one' warning by Tony Perez. After the bell, Mr. Frazier called out and said
    'C'mon Tony, do something.'
     
  5. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where is the primary source for the information posted here? I've never read anything like this from Perez. Definitely made up garbage. Ali was not the first or last boxer to beat a crouching puncher via nullifying inside attack via holding. Heck watch Dempsey Tunney if you want to see this as well as many other bouts throughout boxing history.
     
  6. Senor Pepe'

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    Houdini,

    You won't read this anywhere.

    It was an interview Tony Perez did on the Spanish Network in New York City, back in 1975.

    After the 'filthy' Muhammad Ali called Mr. Perez a 'dirty dog'.
     
  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I am being real. Your emotional because obviously you love Ali and anything he does is Ok. If your want to tell me Ali was doing Joe a favor by holding him that would make you typical of many other Nuthugging Ali fans. Straighten UP.

    In reality it was against the rules. Sometimes guys get away with a foul
    thats part of boxing. In this case it was excessive holding and not only holding but grabbing Frazier behind the head and pulling him in so Joe couldnt work inside.

    Should Ali have been DQd? Cant say because I dont know if Perez even warned him about it. Thats why I stated in my earlier post that he shouldve given Ali a warning and then deducted 1 point if it continued.

    It depends on what Ali after that.

    Why would the rules be any different for Ali? this is not complicated.
     
  8. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    :-(

    The only thing thats true is that Ali has alot of emotional fans.
     
  9. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Total BS. This Pepe guy is a complete nutcase...bigtime.
     
  10. ETM

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    Frazier`s face looked pretty bad after the first fight and he won that. Joe Bugner even had Joe a little busted up not sure what it has to do with Ali ruining the fight by holding Frazier. If you actually think Ali did Frazier a favor by not letting him fight inside then I cant help any further.

    Your better than this. I hope.:lol:
     
  11. Hands of Iron

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    I disagree.
     
  12. Senor Pepe'

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    ETM - Hands of Iron - ecto55

    You gentlemen are objective posters, as opposed to Houdini is damn near
    Muhammad Ali's 'weekend gardner'.

    The Frazier - Ali II bout in January 1974 - is a clear case of a Referee who
    'thought' about doing something, but didn't in fear of after fight criticism.

    Mr. Ali 'holding' is one thing, but 'cuffing' behind the neck is an intentional
    foul, just like hitting low, intentional thumbing or hitting after the bell.

    After Round 3, Tony Perez shoud have went to Mr. Ali's corner and told him,
    you have gotten away with that stuff long enough. Next time you do it, I'm
    deducting a point.

    Unfortunately, Tony Perez went to ringside, to discuss the issue with the
    NYSAC Officials, who were more worried about getting Mr. Ali's next fight,
    than clean play in the ring that night.
     
  13. mcvey

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    Its an indication that a boxer is getting hit with more than "shoeshine punches".
     
  14. mcvey

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    You're dead right about that.
    "Tell me lies, tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies."
     
  15. mcvey

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    You dont know if Perez warned Ali yet you make a statement on it ?:huh

    When I implied Ali was doing Frazier a favour ,I was being facetious.
    I assumed that was obvious. You probably think Frazier deserved the nod in that fight. Poor old Joe he would not want to miss this , having his balls licked by so many devotees.