Is David Haye an ATG?

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  1. Wegner

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    Where would you put him as an ATG in his respective divisions, and all-time? :think
     
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  2. carlos200587

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    i just wouldnt
     
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  3. dan4579

    dan4579 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dunno Carlos. This guy told me that Haye is amazing considering what he's had to deal with...
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  4. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At cruiserweight, he is top 5. As a heavyweight, he's not worth considering. Somewhere outside of the top 50. P4P, again, nowhere near contention. I don't think he'd make it into a top 250 of all-time.

    As the cruiserweight division matures, he'll be pushed out of the top 10 there. He's only so high in that division because it has very little history.
     
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  5. Boxingfan2

    Boxingfan2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    #1 H2H & P4P
    A healthy David Haye is unbeatable

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  6. tezel8764

    tezel8764 Boxing Junkie banned

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    I'm not sure whether to put Louis after him or before him. :think
     
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  7. Wegner

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    Quite the head scratcher. I've been racking my brain all day over a similar question.
     
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  8. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    he cannot be considered an ATG or a HOF. Just not accomplished enough at this point.
     
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  9. Wegner

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    He beat modern day Joe Frazier, Dereck Chisora, and training techniques today are far superior so I would have to put Haye ahead of Frazier on my all-time HW list. :thumbsup
     
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  10. blitzco

    blitzco Englishism Full Member

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    Perhaps if the cruiserweight division was taken seriously, otherwise no.

    Who does he lose to under 200lb?
     
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  11. Ilesey

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    No. He was good at CW and I never expected him to feature at all at heavyweight, but in my opinion his achievements don't qualify him as an ATG.
     
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  12. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Based on the Klitschko fight I put him just a hair behind Usain Bolt.
     
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  13. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    CW - top 21
    HW - top 153
    P4P - top 355

    so yes ... he is around top 355 ATG, 5 spots below John Ruiz who everybody knows is top 350 ATG
     
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  14. Absolutely!

    Absolutely! Fabulous, darling! Full Member

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    At the moment he's not even a Hall of Famer. His Cruiserweight credentials are decent, but he had no longevity as champ in that division since he moved up so quickly after he won the title. He also had more than his fair share of struggles during that time, possibly weight related, which leads me to think that he wouldn't have dominated as champ there the way Wlad does at Heavyweight.

    Had he successfully defended against, say, Bell, Adamek and Cunningham before moving up, then fought a more active heavyweight campaign including all the wins he currently has plus a few legitimate top tenners on his resume like Chagaev, Chambers, Peter and Dimitrenko, then I think he'd be in with much more of a shout.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    I'd put him number 2 at CW.

    I wouldn't bother ranking him at HW in anything other than a H2H British sense.

    I don't have any issue calling him great.
     
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