29 of 29 Boxing Commissions, Ban the Cassius Clay - Sonny Liston Rematch

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  1. Senor Pepe'

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    July 1964,

    When the State Boxing Commissions got together, to decide on whether
    the Cassius Clay vs. Sonny Liston 'rematch' should be held,

    27 of the 29 Boxing Chairman's voted 'NO', with only Michigan and Kentucky voting 'YES'.

    Even Colorado (Sonny Liston's adopted State) said 'NO'.

    After some brief discussions, both Michigan and Kentucky agreed,
    it would be bad to allow the fight to be sanctioned, and they also changed their vote to a 'NO'.

    Of course, the Cassius Clay 'Lovers' will state that the fight in Miami
    Beach was 100% legitimate, because Clay won,

    But, the Championship Fight in itself was 'secondary', because it was
    all about 'future' revenue.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    The fight stunk rotten from the beginning.
    Miami was suspect. Lewiston was blatant.
     
  3. Senor Pepe'

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    Mr. Unforgven,

    Let's see how many Cassius Clay 'Lovers' can come up with a logical reason why
    all 29 of the State Boxing Commissioners refused to sanction the rematch, despite
    the opportunity to reap in some decent dollars.

    Did the Boxing Commissions know something,,,,,,,You Bet They Did...
     
  4. Pachilles

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  5. McGrain

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    It did indeed stink to high heaven, but there are plenty of people other than "Clay lovers" (by then Muhammad Ali) who take it at face value.
     
  6. Senor Pepe'

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    Nobody wanted the 'second fight'

    New York, Los Angeles and Miami Beach all said no.

    Edward Bohn, State Boxing Commissioner for Colorado called the first bout
    a 'second-rate theatrical affair'.

    He had his team look into the before fight 'ongoings' and found so many
    irregularities, which were unbelievable.

    His conculusion, 'I don't want the rematch, even if it was the last boxing event
    ever be held on the Planet Earth'.

    That Miami Beach farce, was right out of P.T. Barnum's book. Sonny Liston having
    a team of doctors on hand, to confirm his shoulder injury. I heard, they even taped
    up the wrong shoulder when he came out of the hospital. Then they rushed him back in,
    and retaped his left shoulder.

    'And Clay's burning eyes. That was a Chris Dundee wrestling gag, which I have seen
    so many times before. The participant gets something in his eyes, and tries to get the
    referee's attention, who pays no mind. Who the hell are they trying to kid.'
     
  7. jdempsey85

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    What were the odds for 1st rd ko must have been about 50/1

    The crooks must have made millions
     
  8. Senor Pepe'

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    Not sure if there were any large bets on this bout, with Sonny
    as an 8-5 Betting-Favorite.

    Jack Dempsey had the best line, when questioned about the fight.

    'We will never hear the bell for start of Round 2. Clay and Patterson is already set for Las Vegas'.
     
  9. Seamus

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    Great scholarship, Pepe.

    Lewiston was a farce and a sham. No one would touch it but little, nowhere Lewiston. Wasn't St Domenic's a high school auditorium at one point? Seriously, a high school auditorium for the heavyweight championship of the world, attended by 2400 people, but people want to proclaim today's division sucks?
     
  10. Senor Pepe'

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    Mr. Seamus,

    The bout was supposed to be held at the Boston Garden, until the State District Attorney
    of Boston - 'Mr. Garrett Byrne' - found 'many' irregularities, and was informed of a potential tank job.

    He shut it down on May 7th, 18-days before the scheduled bout at the Boston Garden.

    William Faversham Jr. (Cassius Clay's Manager) had friends in Maine (Poland Spring area),
    and they moved everything north of Massachusetts into Maine.

    A 'youth center hockey rink' in Lewiston, Maine.

    A third-rate promotion would be an understatement.

    The best action of the evening, when George Chuvalo attacked Cassius Clay in the
    ring after Sonny Liston did a 'swan dive'.

    George busted Clay in the ribs, and that set off a 'real rhubarb'.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    Irony : the photograph of the debacle in Maine has gone down as an iconic piece of pop culture, symbolizing 'the greatness and heroism of Muhammad Ali'.

    [url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=ali+liston+poster&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=11146541820&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5809723831246206282&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&ref=pd_sl_78h30dp4j1_e[/url]
     
  12. SolomonDeedes

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    Meanwhile, back in the real world...

    The 29 state commissions which comprised the WBA voted to forbid the Ali-Liston rematch. The vote was 27-2, the remaining two commissions subsequently falling into line.

    The reason was that the contract for the first fight stipulated that Liston's promotional company would have the right to specify Ali's next opponent. While not technically a rematch clause, this was held to violate the spirit of the WBA's rule against such clauses.

    The decision was in no way a commentary on the outcome of the first fight, nor on the likely outcome of the second. There is nothing strange about individual commissions' reluctance to break their ties with the WBA (as Maine eventually did) in order to stage a single championship bout.
     
  13. Senor Pepe'

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    Solomon,

    Edward Bohn (Colorado Boxing Commission Chairman) had evidence that a team
    of doctors were already lined up to state that Sonny Liston had an injured shoulder,
    following his bout with Cassius Clay in February 1964.

    Plus a bunch of film and photo's of Sonny entering the hospital that night after the
    fight, with no apparent problems with the left shoulder.