Sonny Liston 'The Secretive Fight Contract'

Honestly, I am intrigued by this thread. The naysayers are tossing around platitudes. Pepe is quoting contracts and facts.

 

i wonder if the weigh in was part of the act "Joe Louis was flat footed, Sonny Liston is flat footed, me and Sugar Ray are two pretty dancers" :yep

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If he is quoting contracts and facts why cant he just post the actual documents instead of "quoting" them?

Just like he quoted Ali admitting he couldnt beat Norton. Just like he quoted Perez saying he should have disqualified Ali. Just like he described Duran-Tavarez. Just like he quoted Cuevas, Ayala, and several reporters saying that sparring match never happened. In every case it was shown to a certainty that he fabricated everything he printed.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice :nono

 

Anyone who believes this bs is insane. Biggest load of crap I have ever read. young up and coming all time great, one of the greatest certainly, beats up on the aging champion. Seen it a million times throughout boxing history but on this inept board people see a fix. Sad....there has to be a decent boxing board somewhere on the Internet. This board is the worst.

 

Let's make the knuckleheads happy. No fight was ever fixed. Not even where the mob was involved. No fighter ever took a dive. Not even when the odds were set up where they could make ten times the money than otherwise. Nope. Never.

Politics? Sleazy and cutthroat about money and power. Religion? Deceit and power plays abound. Business of every kind imaginable? Lust for money and manipulations to make the biggest bottom line.

But Boxing? Never. Anyone who ever laced up the gloves, trained a fighter, or managed his business became miraculously transformed into paragons of virtue who were literally incapable of even a trace of dishonesty and always acted with spiritual purity. Like instant and permanent salvation.

Message board any better for you now, Houdini?

 

You're absolutely right.

Add to that, Liston was owned by Frankie Carbo and Blinky Palermo . These were two fine and upstanding gentlemen who would never tolerate a fix.

As a student of boxing history since 1970 (he's told us this about 10 times in the last two days), HOUDINI must be aware of this.

 

Both Palermo and Carbo's influence in boxing and Liston's career had been effectively broken at this point and both were serving extended sentences in federal prison.

 

Look, I can't say with concrete certainty that Sonny took a dive in either fight for either money or any other reason and no one else can either. But to dismiss the possibility (nevertheless the likelihood) with complete certainty is a position that deserves sarcastic scorn and displays an adolescent view of a sport centered around gambling and money.

My question is why is this possibility SO threatening to several of the posters on this thread that they literally throw tantrums? If Liston did do a half-gainer off the high dive, does that mean that Clay couldn't have beaten him in a shoot? Does it besmirch the entire foundation of professional boxing as we know it? Does it completely destroy everything Clay/Ali ever accomplished in his entire career? I say "no" to all three of those questions, BTW.

If Liston, a lifelong hustler under mob control, decided to maximize his profits by embarking on a dishonest business venture, I don't think this means that Mother Mary didn't give birth as a virgin, that we didn't actually land on the moon, or that your personal paternity is in question. Seriously, get a grip and stop being so insecure about something that may or may not have happened fifty years ago. This overreacting makes me think a few of you fit the quote from Shakespeare that "You doth protest too much"