Klit Fans Under 25 And Klit Crits Over 25

Exactly.

 

The top young conteders are all just waiting for Wlad to retire. They'll rather be guys who never fought Wlad than guys who lost to Wlad.

 

Maybe, but I'm talking about 2 years time. Early 2015 will be just over 2 years. (By a couple of months)

2013 is starting in a month.

2014 is a year's time.

2015 is in 2 years time.

I never once mentioned 2016.

 

I disagree with you there.

Many like Fury are waiting until they are ready to fight and win.

Others like Price are happy to work themselves into a mandatory position.

Why take 100 - 200K for a 3 fight contract, when you can be in a mandatory position to demand 30% of the split?

 

I'm 29 and consider myself both a fan and critic of the Klitschkos. They're ATG heavies and I disagree with people who leave them off top 25 atg heavy lists as well as the idiots who rank them 1a and 1b GOAT.

 

Now we are getting there Dee.

That is what you believe... If these fight wont happen and the fact is Wlad has offered them to fight for Hw crown. History will be on Wlad's side on this one, I am afraid.

These gusy will be remembered as guys who were afraid.. Simple as that.

 

On the MONEY, On the Money:thumbsup Im 39 and grew up going to grandpas and watching old fights on his projection tv sitting on his shag carpet in his mancave. We'd watch old reel to reel fights from the 30s, 40s, 50's and 60's until the live fight would come on.

Eventually, I inherited the entire family collection of reel to reel fights, vhs tapes and I can say with some certainty, that ESPN classic would envy my collection of fights from the 30s onto the 80s.
Having all those fights, and being a fightfan since I could walk, I got the rare privilege of seeing the best HWs in action in big fights from every era since the 30s. Gritty, grainy, and no sound on hundreds of fights, I've still watched almost all them at least 2X.

While I don't fully believe the 70s was boxings golden era, I will admit that while I was a child, the talk around our house was the 80s was ****. Pure ****. Lower than **** according to several of my uncles and older cousins.

When Tyson KOd Holmes, I cried. I was 10, maybe 11, but I literally cried. I hated Tyson much the way my dad hated Ali, but that all changed after he faced defeat at the hands of Douglas. When he was KOd by Douglas, I actually felt sorry for him, and I became a fan.

During his exile, Holyfield became the man. I know Bowe was right up there too, but having seen so many fights from the 30s on, I just couldnt rate Bowe at all, and still don't. His size though was formidable, and it won him a title, and the biggest fights of his career. I was actually turned off from boxing in general during Tysons imprisonment.
But Lewis rose up and I had a guy to pull for again. I followed Lewis while I watched the Klitschkos develop. It was during those 96 Olympics when I first said Wladimir would be the best HW of this generation. And it was his cover of a 98/99 Ring magazine that cemented my original thought.

During the course of being a fightfan for nearly 40 yrs, Ive seen a division be degraded by fans simply b/c they refuse to accept their heroes of yesteryear are gone. I was guilty of it myself. But in hindsight, and having the opportunity to have seen and rewatch all those fights, I can say with certainty that each era since the 30s has improved. And while the ATGs from each era would certainly carry their greatness over into the next, it is no guaranteed they could carry their legend 3-4 generations later.

IN other words, contenders from the 30s would be journeymen today. Champions from the 50s would be contenders today.
And the same goes for the journeymen of today. They would be titlists of the 30s. And contenders from today would be champions in the 50s 60s.

Not saying Dimitrenko would beat Ali, quite the opposite. But a guy like Pulev would make Norton his *****, and it would be as ugly Ali Holmes.:deal

 

Interesting analysis. I can't say I entirely agree with you, but I would say this:

1. You kind of have a duty to preserve this database of fights you possess. You really do. Maybe looking into finding somebody who would re-master this for you? (For free of course!) It would be great for others to be able to see what you have.

2. Based on your logic of fighters of the 50s wiping the floor of those in the 40s etc, would you argue that fighters of today (2010s), would lose to fighters of 2020s?

 

Maybe, but but this is the difference of 6 months to a year. Not a difference of 2/3 years.

Haye didn't fight Wlad not out of fear, but due to money. When he got his money, the fight finally happened.

I think it's hypocritical to use money as a reason to justify a challenger's 'fear' - When the Champion can easily put the money on the table, and say: Now what's stopping you?

If somebody's afraid of fighting me, I know it would take A HELL of a lot to convince them to fight me. It's not fear, it's business.

Do you genuinely believe that Fury and Price are afraid? A little green, yes. But afraid? I don't think so.

 

While you make some good points. It is extremely pitiful and sad that it is the champion's responsibility to get challengers into the ring. I guess this speaks to society's obsession over money that concern over a boxer's legacy is vastly dwarfed by his bank account. People like Haye and Mayweather, despite their talent, are what is wrong with boxing.

 

I agree with you. It is definitely a sad reflection of our society, and the sport we all love.

But it's far more an exception to the way boxing itself, is run.

No rules, No Guidelines, No Honour.

Fighters risk their lives, everytime they step into the ring. As such, money will always be an issue. Always. But it's the other parts of being a fighter, that simply aren't as relevant as they should be. And that part is Legacy.

But that's entirely different debate, revolving around reducing the control promoters have, and introducing not for profit sanctioning boards.

The sad part is, all it requires is one person involved in boxing, with a lot of money, and half a brain. But it'll never happen.

As for someone like Mayweather, and to an extent Pacquiao, they have pretty much 'out-grown' the sport. Not as much as in terms of talent, but just their market standing, and on the basis of what they have already achieved.

To an extent, the same goes for the Klitschko Brothers, in the Heavyweight Division, and their support stemming from Germany.

 

Take into account the context of Vitali's 'aging' though.

Vitali was consumed by the election campaign this year at expense of his boxing abilities. He was on the road since late July till late October, moving all over Ukraine and having 2-3-4-5 rallies a day and was still able to put a solid performance vs Charr (not touching the opponent's qulality here) in between.

 

What 100-200k are you talking about ? Solis made 1.8 million, Chambers about 2million, Thompson: first fight 900k, second a little over 1 million, ****ing Wach made 800k,Povetkin was offered 2 million. Guys like Haye and Adamek made much more. Brittardistani media are bunch of toothless clowns and you buy anything they say.

 

I like the way you always bring up Dimitrenko to knock this era despite the fact that about 50/70 guys have actually fought for a world title in this era as you understand it and yet he isn't one of them.

 

This is the constant problem with Brits and to be honest I don't think they even realize they're doing it. They only acknowledge other English based fighters and nobody else. This is just a laughable statement really. ATG Wladimir Klitschko definitive career fight is going to come from an alcoholic guy that got dominated and soundly beaten by John McDermott and who's best win is either Martin Rogan or an obese 20 stone blob of fat Chisora.

Or David Price who's best win is Sam Sexton. It's laughable really.

The truth of the matter is that either of those two if the fight was to happen next and Klitschko won would be not even as good a scalp as Wlad's win over Paea Wolfgramm who's probably about his 40th best win.