Klit Fans Under 25 And Klit Crits Over 25

A top 5 ranked fighter was outboxed by a journeyman in Sprott. That is noteworthy.

 

****, I actually did mean to say their management might avoid on putting them against Wlad...

What I said they are genuinely afraid was really wrong word, sry about that.:good

Actually thinking about it twice.. these guys are hardly scared..

 

Except he (Dimitrenko) clearly won that fight. Yes you constantly lie about that fight for some reason. I don't think you even watched it did you?

Here's a huge Sprott fan giving his correct opinion of that fight.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hItgR79GFsA[/ame]


Dimitrenko 117-110 Sprott.

 

Strong journeymen = strong era :rofl

 

Well, as for the reels of film and boxes and boxes of tapes, my brother and nephew in law are both CPU guys. They've been working on putting them all on dvd and categorizing them by era, fighter, and division. Putting 3-4 fights on each DVD. They been doing a few every week or so now for a year. I guess it aint an easy task. They're not changing the quality, and me and bro don't want to. We watched these old fights with the crackling noise nearly louder than the crowd and the commentators voices. The blackouts and blurps. We wouldnt change that. It's what we grew up with. But yeah, they're getting downloaded and filed, and eventually, we'll open a youtube page cataloging these fights.

As for my opinion on talent crossing over into eras I think these younger guys like Fury, Boystov and a couple others from this era will likely compete well into their 30s in the next era. But generally, outside a few fluke wins over mediocre fringe contenders from the next era, the majority of old timers from this era will be blasted out, just like this generations prospects/contenders beat on the last eras.

For instance. A young Potevetkin beat and aging Byrd. A prime Byrd beat an aging Holyfield. But still, you got an old McCall winning fights, even at 46. You had Foreman winning a title at 43. And ya got Vitali, still a top 5 at 41.

Point is, that those older fighters who compete into the next generation are few and far between. And the young guys, who come in at the tail end of an era, tend to be the major players in the next.

It's gonna continue that way until the sport changes, or dies out completely. So in our opinion, forever.:deal

 

In that case I agree with you. And many, many promoters are culpable about that. But I think this is another one of those issues that directly relate to the problems boxing had. Imagine if they only way people could get ranked, is to beat GENUINELY ranked fighters?

And only by beating enough in the rankings, can you get a title shot? Impossible, but would be awesome!

Dude, don't be ridiculous. So who is ATG Wladimir Klitschko's definitive career win? And you're saying that Klitschko's ATG status should be on his length of reign alone?

It's not all about the 'length of reign'. It what you do with that reign too. And yes, I think Price would make a great fight for Wladimir. Just like how I think fights with Seth Mitchell, and Deontay Wilder (when he finally steps up) would make great fights too.

Sorry for not wanting more Wach's/Mormeck's/Thompson's to watch.

Ahh, I see exactly what you mean! I thought you meant as the overall quality of the fighters, as opposed to older legends being destroyed by those younger, and in their primes.

So Marciano - Louis, Ali - Holmes, Tyson - Holmes, etc..etc..

And I think it's great what you guys are doing with the fights!

 

Any reason why you would include the 80s?

How on earth was the HW division of 1980 - 1989 better and deeper than the last 10 years? That's ridiculous. The 80s are one of the worst and weakest eras in HW history, if not *THE* worst.

And I would never say today's HW division is "much better" than the 90s. I always said it's not that much worse than the 90s. Worse, but not much worse.

Oh yea, I'm 38 and a fan of the K bros :hi:

 

Time will tell. We don't know if Fury, Price, Mitchell and Wilder have what it takes yet. None have fought a top 20 fighter at the time of the fight yet. The reality is none of those has done more than even a pre Chambers version of Dimitrenko yet. Mitchell's a guy I like as a person, seems a class act, but I wont be surprised if he gets found out tonight.

 

Boxing has always been like that. There were always 1-3 elite guys. Maybe 3-4 contenders and then a bunch of fringe contenders and journeymen. You sound surprised that mediocre guys get titleshots. Well it's never been any different in 100 years of boxing.

* How did Pete Rademacher get a HW titleshot with 0 (Zero!) pro fights in the 50s?
* How did Eurobum Karl Mildenberger get a titleshot vs. Ali in the 70s?
* How did a 48 year old George Foreman - little more than a broke journeyman - get a titleshot in the 90s?
* How did bar fighter Tony "Two Ton" Galento (with 23 losses in his record!) get a title shot vs. Louis in the 30s?

Do I need to go on :deal

Bums have always got titleshots because there was a market for them. Maybe their country of origin paid a lot of money (Mildenberger) or they were marketable (Rademacher was an Olympic gold medallist), Foreman was a legendary name pushed by a legendary promoter.

Mormeck was a C level contender, but marketable in France as he brought millions of Euros to the table, hence he got a shot. Mormeck would have gotten a shot vs. Ali in the 70s just like Milderberger did, because both brought Ali cold hard cash.

People need to stop acting that low quality opponents only started getting title shots since the K brothers are active.

 

That's my point. I'm using Fury and Price as examples. Not an exhaustive list.

For all we know, some nobody with 15 wins and no hype will appear tomorrow. You just never know. In the mean time, all we have are a handful of 'potentials' whom we can use for referencing.

But I do agree, that all these 'contenders' simply don't bother fighting Top 20 fighters.

The sad part is, whilst it DOES get them title shots, it most definitely does not prepare them for one.

 

Bangla, you first lie about salaries and now you're accusing wlad of not fighting britbums like price and Fury. How can Wlad fight Fury , Price , Mitchell or Wilder if guys say they're not ready! and don't talk anymore about salaries , if Wach made 800k , any of these contenders would get paid more.

 

Well Wlad's certainly got plenty lined up in his sights now who have earned their shot.

Povetkin
Pulev
Adamek

Mitchell vs Banks and Fury vs Johnson I'd say all 4 are top 30 so at least they're heading in the right direction. I wouldn't see a problem with the winner of those 2 fights getting a title shot.

 

You dont become a great fighter by default. I dont know anybody at my boxing gym who follows Wlad K. If he was on the telly they would change channel.

Pulev will can beat Wlad. Id be shocked id that fight gets made.

 

Pulev had a great jab and great footwork.

But Wlads JAB is better, and his footwork is better. Wlads bigger, stronger, and faster.
Pulev don't take many shots, so we cant gauge his chin. But I think it's solid enough that he'll go out like Brock, probably in the 7th or 8th.:think

 

Agree