HBO WCB: Adrien Broner vs. Antonio DeMarco & Seth Mitchell vs. Johnathan Banks RBR

You can't use the shoulder roll when walking down fighters, especially southpaws because with the weight on the front foot, it's difficult to avoid punches(which is why Broner eats so many straight punches) Floyd uses it from midrange and in. Broner uses it at every range which is ok except he lacks the upper body movement and balance to be efficient with it.

On the inside, there is no such thing as lefty/righty. The angles are all but gone and the punches come from similar angles. That's why southpaws need space. So the left hand comes from an angle unusual to conventional fighters.

 

You can most definitely use the roll walking fighters down, as for especially against southpaws, yes it is difficult, extremely difficult to do that against southpaws, but after eating one left from DeMarco Broner instantly neutralized it out of the roll and continued to walk DeMarco down, which is pretty impressive, the skill and reflexes required to do that.

As for saying Broner isn't efficient with his shoulder roll and that he lacks balance and movement, that is ridiculous on its face and we've seen in the last 3 fights with the trouble people actually have hitting him while he is standing in the pocket that it is simply incorrect.

There are most definitely angles on the inside, you look at elite in-fighters and they are working them constantly, like Ward, B-Hop, old tapes of Frazier, and old types of young Tyson, you can see Duran and JCC Sr. using angles on the inside as well.

 

He made me a fan after last nite. He aint floyd copy cat. He usesTHAT style but he does not react to situation in the same maner. He copies him more outside the ring than inside. Boy got skill. Guys think the few flush straight he got hit clean with tested his chin? I think not.

 

I disagree about not having the ability. This "flat footedness" is because he sits on his punches more than Floyd did at that stage of his career.

 

Exactly. Don't let the flash and the speed fool you - Broner is a strong kid that likes to f'n fight.

 

Broner has never been a mover. I think its safe to say that he isn't one. He's a flat footed boxer puncher. Very similar to current Floyd, just less fluid and skilled.

 

Broner can move he just doesn't want to, like said before, he wants to set his feet and bang.

I think Broner is better offensively on the inside compared to modern Floyd.

 

For his age, Broner is a dynamo. But let's not get carried away. DeMarco is no Chico Corrales and we remember the decapitating power Chico had. Broner passed his first legit test with flying colors he is on the right path.

 

I'm more impressed at how he did it, he performed better on Demarco than Valero did against a worse version.

He is improving defensively as well, the surprising part is he hasn't even hit his physical prime yet.

 

Yup..it's not just that he won, but HOW he won. He took far more risk than he had to and still won every round convincingly. This kid is the future...and the future is NOW.

 

Jones Jr. Knew the outcome of the Seth Mitchell fight from the get go... lol
(Both Jones & Merchant tried their best to be company men)

 

SouthPawJab is actually right about most of what he's saying. When you're on the inside, there's not much room for the righty/lefty dynamic and using a young Tyson isn't a great example of proving him wrong. He stood square with both shoulders facing his opponent. I think that's what SouthPawJab was trying to say. It actually takes away the advantage that a lefty would have for the most part.

Broner didn't begin walking DeMarco down until later on in the fight. I believe it was around the sixth round or so. Up until that point, Demarco came right at Broner and stood on the inside with him. In doing so, Demarco took away any advantages that he might have had against Broner, because he was the taller, longer and slower of the two.

As for Mayweather, he doesn't usually abandon his shoulder roll against lefties. He abandoned it against Zab more than usual, because of Zab's speed, but he mostly stayed with it against Mitchell, Corley and Oritz. He used it mostly during the second half of the Corley fight and almost all of the other two fights.

Using the portion of the Ortiz fight that you used for your argument is also flawed. Mayweather was caught out of position when he was throwing a counter shot. Ortiz threw a right hook that caught Floyd while he was leaning in. From that point, Mayweather was unable to get into his natural position so he put up his high guard and tried to create distance like he used to do at junior ligtweight, but he backed right into the ropes.

His body was squared up because of that, not because he was using the high guard. When someone is throwing a ton of punches at you when you're out of position, it would be stupid to try and get into Mayweather's normal boxing stance. Especially against a southpaw, you may find yourself in a position to get hit by a right hook that's difficult to see if you choose a bad time to try and adjust.

 

Broner is arguably the most complete fighter in the game. That's not to say he IS but he's in the conversation for sure. Kid is legit and will only get better.

 

That's a pretty bold statement. Well, he beat a really tough guy into submission last night so a few questions have been answered. With that said, I'd still like to see how he does against someone like Vazquez who will test Broner's conditioning and force him to work hard and burn energy every round.

 

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