Did Folley take the fall against Ali?

London, Blin, Foster and Coopman have all gone on record saying they stayed down to avoid taking more punishment. The same could possibly be said for Foreman and Moore as well.

Ali has few clean KO's for a fighter of his stature, but he could break a guy's spirit as well as anyone.

 

Must admit this is the first time that I've heard of the Foley ko being questioned. As Johnmaff said,though - ALL of Ali's kayos were suspect !

 

March 1967

Zora Folley (Age; 35 years, 10 months)

The 6' 1" 202 lb. Arizona Heavyweight was considered to be a
legitimate challenger, despite his advanced age.

A very good techincal boxer, with a good straight right hand.

A 36 year-old Zora Folley would have defeated a 36 year-old Muhammad Ali.

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Foreman did not stay down to avoid punishment. What are you 13 years old? He was exhausted and KD for the first time in his career. He just missed beating the count.

 

:rofl

 

Is Folley-Liston tough to find ?

 

Colonel Sanders

Sells processed Chicken.

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Perhaps. But I tink it's possible that he stayed that second extra to avoid more punishment in a fight he couldn't win. Just a thought and not meant as a slight on him. He was as brave as they come, I just think most sane minds are open to that kind of decisions. Besides the exhaustion and the pain, their health and perhaps lives are after all in the balance.

Bob Foster and the others I mentioned were all tough men, but they all admitted to staying down.

 

Kinda...it's not on You Tube, I know that.

 

The kind of knockouts that you can't, in fact, get up from are the rarest in boxing.

 

Posters here too often make it out like going up and receiving more punishment in a hopeless quest should be the most natural thing in the world for every pro fighter. Having sense doesn't mean you're not tough.

I have hard time thinking De la Hoya stayed down willingly against Hopkins, though. He was losing, but not being outclassed or beat up. He must have felt he still was in with a shot.

 

He was finished. He probably could have stood up, but he was frozen by a body shot; He was done. Had he gotten up to his feet, he'd have been totally impotent. That's probably why he stayed on the ground.

Body shots KOs, every single one of them, are a fighter quitting. You can always stand up. You are just in too much pain, too paralyzed by it, to be bothered.

 

i think he didnt expect the second right and took it flush. that head spin is not from him trying to roll with it. instead taking the brunt of his head on the way back.

he was leaning away but ali caught him flush on the jawline.

also pretty weak at taking a punch.

 

Zora Folley did 'crash' more than a few times from mediocre punches,
as in his 2nd-bout with Doug Jones.

Before entering the ring versus Cassius Clay, the (35 year, 10 month old)
had complied a 74-7-4 (40 KO's) record.

Though Zora was a capable fighter, his best days had long since passed
him by (1958 thru 1961).

But, Zora did still carry a good straight right-hand, as witnessed when
he dropped and defeated Argetninian Strong Man, Oscar Bonavena.

Zora, who had gone 11-0-1 (5 KO's) since his last loss in July 1963
versus Ernie Terrell - was riding a 3 1/2 year 'unbeaten streak'.

Victories over the likes of; Billy Daniels, George Chuvalo, Tod Herring,
Gerhard Zech, Oscar Bonavena, Bob Foster, Jefferson Davis 'twice', Henry Clark,
Floyd Joyner - and a Draw with Karl Mildenberger in Germany - certified
Zora as a 'worthy veteran challenger'.

Here in December 1962, 31 year-old - Zora is 'flattened' by 185 lb. Doug Jones in their rematch.

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