How come boxing hasn't progressed naturally over time the way the 100m has??

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  1. RSBonos

    RSBonos Boxing Addict Full Member

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    More fights today except for the 20's and 40's.
     
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  2. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    That's a bit of a bizarre thing to say.. Mayweather, Rigondeaux, Lomachenko coming through, Jones and Whitaker weren't that long ago were they.
    When you're talking about skills of older boxers you have to remember that they were competing against guys with the same training from the same time.. I've seen club fighters look like Whitaker against lesser opponents, it's not something that can really be judged. These guys you're mentioning are the special ones, the outliers. We are talking in general obviously.
     
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  3. Pirao

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    Of course it has, only idiots believe otherwise.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Cheers bud. Been a while.

    They are playing American football...nah seriously, I think it goes back to what I was saying about character and the influences on that character. In boxing, it's the man that makes the man. We haven't seen a man since Roy quite like Roy, or his father, perhaps thankfully...we haven't seen another Duran because there hasn't been a man like Duran. And so on.

    I totally agree with you - but how many ATG's are there in any era (as an aside, we have a poster who attended fights in the forties who says there is a Ray Robinson fight missing from Boxrec)? In the 50's, it's the journeymen who go missing. My point about Zelenoff was a serious one. How many hundreds of Zelenoffs fought not one but twenty fights in the 1950's that went unrecorded?

    And who the **** was recording them?

    The Ring recorded fights down to a certain level. This source aside, Boxrec is built from local newspaper reports.

    In other words, every single fight not worthy of a newspaper report is missing from Boxrec.

    Think of all those small-hall clubs, all the smokers that were put in in semi-secret, all the fights that were fought at that Zelenoff type level that DO make it onto Boxrec now and DON'T make it onto Boxrec for that era. The numbers involved are very likely to be staggering considering the number of fighters registered with the BBBC, the popularity of the sport in America at the time and the frequency with which fighters fought? The numbers don't add up. At all.
     
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  5. BadDog

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    that's right you can't show me any modern boxers who work in construction.
    And of course manual labor is relative to class, you can't work in manual labor today and still be competitive, however, you could do it years ago. It shows that boxing is a lot more professional now and requires more dedication. Now, you need to train couple of times a day and don't waste energy on other things, especially hard labor work.
    I don't think that any of the modern champs would be at the top of the world if they spend 9 to 5 Mon-Fri laying bricks.:lol: did you ever try that? you can hardly move after a day of work like that.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: no I can't. You win. What, I still don't have a ****ing clue.

    OK, i'll play your game.

    Who worked in manual labour and remained competitive at championship level "years ago"? Or do YOU now mean Marvin Hagler?
     
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  7. BadDog

    BadDog Active Member Full Member

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    a lot of fighters including Braddock and Hagler. You mentioned Hagler yourself, I actually had no idea he was a construction worker. Thanks for supporting my argument. I thought it was only common in 30s and before that.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: So you are now contending that Hagler fought at a level lower than "modern, more professional middleweights"? Can you just confirm that for me?

    And no, Braddock didn't kid. That was in a mo-vie. It's like a story that's pretend. OK?

    When you say "a lot of fighters", who do you mean?
     
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  9. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    All the top American HWs are in construction
     
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  10. BadDog

    BadDog Active Member Full Member

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    you told me yourself he was some construction worker, and if top fighters did it back in a day others probably did too.
     
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  11. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl

    I spit out my water.
     
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  12. DrMo

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    Bryant Jennings works full time as a welder

    Ricky Burns, the WBO lightweight champ still works part time
     
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  13. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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    Joe Frazier worked at a meat plant.
     
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  14. red hot sheep

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    :lol:
     
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  15. Mr. Sandman

    Mr. Sandman 27-2 (21 KO) Full Member

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    Manny Pacquiao would beat the **** out of Sugar Ray Robinson, it's as clear as day.
     
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