New Marquez Training Pics ALSO PAC PHOTO

Yeah and before the Pacquiao fight He was life and death with Juan Diaz, Got knocked on his ass against crude Katsidis.

Why is He not as good as 4 years ago in his second fight with Pac? Because this is not a miracle drug as explained.

 

Let's get real here.

How did JMM do so well against Pacquiao in the 3rd fight? He didn't match him for stamina, punch output, speed or power. He did it with his exceptional timing and counter punching, as he always has done, that's all.

 

Maybe to help you get in shape at a weight class that is not natural to you when you're nearly 40 years old? Especially when you struggled so much the first time round. Maybe to help you train as hard and with the same intensity as when you were 27 when you're nearly 40 years old? Maybe to level the playing field against opponents you believe are using them?

PEDs aren't some magic cure, they're not going to turn back the clock to your physical prime, but they can slow it down a bit, prolong your career an extra few years, give you a boost for your training, help build and repair muscles.

 

Do you have the fight on HD or Blu-Ray? Watch that **** on something other than computer speakers. Every punch JMM threw boomed and landed with a resounding thud. Didn't hear **** from Pac's punches. Same microphone.

 

So JMM got knocked down by Katsidis because he wasn't on PEDs, but Pacquaio couldn't put him down because JMM was on PEDs for that fight?

I thought you said it wasn't a miracle drug?

You guys are either trolling or got ****ing mush for brains. GTFO.

 

Pacquiao's gonna get knocked out. But it'll be by a roided Marquez. Full credit for Pac for saying **** it, let him roid.

 

:rofl As if Pacquiao is any better . . .

 

I accept that they could have helped him train much harder, but that added performance boost should carry over to the fight. If he'd trained like a 27 year old, he should have performed like one and that wasn't the case. :conf


I can understand your reasons for doubting. Having Herida there does look bad. But the evidence should be there in his performance and it's just not.

 

I dont know where you are going with this but Ill explain anyway.

My point was that JMM was having a hard time against B level fighters. He was having problems early with a completely shot Casa. Then He moves up in weight, fights the best fighter in the world at the time and arguably won and like many have noted, making Pacquaio look like a bobble head at times.

 

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His body hasn't changed much. Pac has NEVER looked bulky. From Marquez I to Bradley, he's been lean and small at the weight.

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Pac's body clearly hasn't changed much whereas Marquez looks noticeably stronger. They went from being identical in size to Juan pulling ahead and being much bigger and stronger.

 

This what I'm talking about

 

Joe, I would love to see what you would be saying if a fighter you didn't love was working with a guy whose expertise is the creation and distribution of PEDs.

 

This is what I mean. I don't know what you're expecting to see? The hulk?

No, you'd see a 39 year old (who has spent 99% of his career below 135) in the perfect shape to perform to the best of his ability.

 

Exactly.

 

Smokin Joe - Absolutely no hate for JMM, actually one of my fav fighters and even though I'm a Pac fan, he could be fighting Mayweather and I would still come to the same conclusion. He surely is on PED's.

Just put all the pieces together. Why did they try to hide Heredia true identity? How then if they didnt know Heredia as he did not disclose his true name, knew he was a good S&C coach? Where did he get his reputation from? Heredia previous to JMM has never worked with a boxer before. He built his reputation by supplying athletes from different sports PED's. So you're essentially telling me that team JMM hired this S&C guy who just came out of jail, dont know his past as he tries to hide his real name, has never worked with boxer before.

All this at convenient timing too, add into that, that JMM probably believes Pac himself is on roids, he needs to go up in weight, he saw what PED's may have done for Pac moving up in weight and so he followed suit. Then he looks like this.

There is more evidence towards JMM than any other fighter in the sport apart from those caught IMO. That includes Pac, FMJ, Donaire, Ward. A tleast we Conte didnt try to hide his identity as Heredia did, and also we havent seen Ward or Donaire looking that much bigger and ripped. Even Pac who looks ripped now looks less ripped in higher weights and older. Fighters generally carry more fat as they age...instead JMM is huge and ripped going into his 40's.

All adds up IMO. Doesn't matter though, the contest will be decided by gameplan, not PED. I just think you would have to turn a blind eye to know all those things above and say nope, not even suspicious.

And yea you can say everyone is suspect, specially Pac for turning down a test. Gotta remember, at the time he was singled out, special drug testing wasn't as standard as before. Still a suspect move by team Pac but you can see where he was coming from, given that many boxers agreed with him. Also he agreed to the tests, just no blood test close to the fight and his excuse was well documented in the Morales fight way before the testing issue.