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So if working with heredia is what you are basing your ridiculous accusations on, then you must think Judah, Donaire, and Berto are all habitual PED users since they are working with Conte.

They could require the same drug testing Floyd wanted for this fight, and I bet that Pac would be the one to say no.

WAR JMM!

 

JMM Also arguably beat Pac two prior times, which makes your point moot.

 

I wouldn't say anything, because I don't particularly care who's roiding or not. When it comes to JMM, it annoys me. I feel like if he'd embarrassed anyone other than Pacquiao like that, PEDs wouldn't even have been mentioned. I think it's a fair point to say that if he was on them, he'd be performing in the fights like he's on them, and he's just not. I don't know what more I can add to that.

Peds = harder training = poorer physical performance during the fight than previous fights? Doesn't make sense.

Also, are you telling me Heredia is the only guy in boxing who can create undetectable PEDs? Berto got caught, Peterson got caught, many others. JMM's been tested since he began working with him. If JMM ever tests positive I'll happily hold my hands up and say I was wrong.

Anyway man, you know I think you're a good poster, regardless of your opinion on this.

 

heredia turning on the heat!

 

To be fair to JMM, he was doing that at 130 too when Pac dominated guys like Morales and MAB, JMM was struggling with MAB and Chris John only to arguably beat Pac too.

 

Marquez is great but he ain't knocking **** out. He's never even hurt Pac. In the first fight, Pac lost his balance in mid air from a huge punch from JMM but he was never hurt.

 

No it doesnt, JMM was tearing up Barreras ass at that time and came in to this fight a heavy underdog and rightfully so. Im not denying the fact that He is a perfect foil for Pac but that performance was unexpected.

 

I dont think its anything to do with Pac. He did just as well in the 2nd bout VS Pac and I'm pretty sure he wasn't on PED's then. It's just for the reasons I listed earlier as to why he is extremely suspect. We got Heredia bragging on 24/7 about creating 20+ undetectable drugs ffs. You trying to tell me they hired this man who hasnt worked with a boxer before for solely s&c and not to take advantage of that knowledge? They could have hired any S&C coach, but instead went to the lengths of hiring a convicted drug dealer, conceal his identity, never worked with a boxer but an expert in PED...ok.

 

Smokin joe is a troll. Most objective posters acknowledge that your body produces less testosterone as you get over a certain age. Somehow jmm is immune to all this though.

 

This is a fair assessment like I said but even when He lost it was controversial, I thought He won the John fight. He was honestly in a war with Diaz (life/death) and didnt look like the fighter He was 3-4 years before that.

 

Why? Cause everyone was fooled into thinking that the new and improved Pac was so much better than JMM and was going to destroy him.

 

Ridiculous accusations . Yeah, it's ridiculous to suspect a 39 year old who has hired a PED dealer, begun looking like a beast at higher weight class of a sport with virtually no testing of using drugs. How ridiculous of me.

I agree that Conte is a shadow hanging over the sport, although he has also now become a big part of the anti-doping movement and campaigns for better testing in sport and one of his fighters is the only one in the sport to undergo FULL olympic style, 24/7, 365 drug testing. He's also not changed his name.

 

No because everyone thought JMM was past it based on his few prior fights. There was no denying that since He looked it.

 

Defending a fighter from largely baseless accusations that call their livelyhood into question makes me a troll? Get the **** out you cretin.

 

The only one who found himself on the canvass was Marquez. I wouldn't be surprised if he does TKO Manny. However, Pacquiao is the stronger puncher because of Pinoy power. Marquez will be advice not to trade like his compatriot Tyson Marquez. Because he will be on his back again if he does go toe-to-toe.