Kessler and Froch fans are pathetic!!

That's some odd logic. Ward should not fight abroad because he will be rich in the future. :tired

I know about Scully and he is very respected. Also by me. Not for this though. He basically said that if the fighter said he felt great he was not the one to stop him. In other words he would not protect the fighter from himself.

I strongly disagree with Scully.

Depends on who you believe. Scully or team Miranda and the others present.

What could he do? Had the fight not gone ahead, Dawson would have been a laughingstock in the industry.

So can't think of any. Thank you. Case dismissed.

Yeah. But who? LHW sucks. SMW blossoms and is littered with big earners.

 

You cannot bring your personal referee to a foreign country. That's a key reason as to why Ward has lost his passport. :deal

 

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Exactly - i never got the impression that referees in europe would allow for some of the stuff ward does. I think that he will be forced to fight more on the outside and not be allowed to smother and hit on the break etc.

Ward is great on the outside too but the problem for him will be that he will obviously be in a position to be hit more often, plus he will have to work harder. I have a feeling he is packing an average chin and relys more on not being hit. If kessler does catch him it would be the end.

Bottom line is a ref from europe wouldn't have allowed for the mess the first fight became.

 

I have another perspective.I said Kessler fights noones right now and a lot of people jumped to shut me.I don`t agree with the fact Kessler did fight big fights and now he can afford to rest.Is a common thing that you`re equal to your last fight.He could choose to fight either Bute and now Froch in their backyards with a big belt on the table but he has chosen somebody else every time.

Regarding Ward, was SO OBVIOUS HE WAS PROTECTED.Yes, he did beat Kessler and Froch but on American soil. Yes, he is not obliged to go anywhere but this could go to the reasoning it`s not sure he would remain unbeaten if he leaves the continent or either the country.

 

Alright Loudon,

Some great posting going on nice work. I have to agree with you especially on your last point regarding Ward going up to 175.

TheBATMAN is wrong 168 is not blossoming apart from the emergence of Groves, with Ward fighting relics from a previous era. He'd be better going up to 175 because it is a different game. He'll be fighter bigger guys who might come in at fight night at 185lbs.

He is known to be a soft puncher so it will take all of his skill to win his matches. I still believe the Dawson fight was a joke even if Chad agreed to it because he was a drained zombie at 168.

At 175 Ward can fight the real Dawson, cleverly and Hopkins all of whom would pose a much greater threat than Pavlik a fighter who as you know I've never rated. Due to age I'd pick Ward over BHop but Cleverly's work rate and Dawson's ability at a comfortable weight would be a great challenge for Ward and will help him cement his legacy.

If he challenges for Cleverly's title it would have to be in the UK if he didn't hold a belt but if he won Dawson's belt first then the fight should be in Vegas or Atlantic city. So to conclude I think there's not much left for Ward at 168 and if he wants to enter the HOF or be an ATG he needs to get up to 175 and even if it's a weaker 175 era than times past he'd still get recognition from many including me for stepping up to an uncomfortable weightclass and challenging the best

 

Hi mate

You've made some great points here yourself

I think if anyone deserves one last shot at Ward's 168 crown it's Froch to be honest although I think style wise confident Bute is a better match up to face Ward. This is due to Ward being a somewhat soft puncher so less likely to hurt Bute than Froch. As well as Bute being a southpaw which always has inherent issues for an orthordox fighter. However, Froch has the belt so it makes more sense for him to have the shot again in Vegas or Atlantic city due to unification bout. Provided Ward beats Froch again which I think he will then it's time to move up to 175, not worth Ward's time to wait for Direll, Groves or Degale as for one reason or another none are ready right now.

There are no huge names at 175, but there are two big names left Dawson and Cleverly which as I've already said would be good fights for Ward and great wins for anyone of them.

As for Ward vs Dawson, I agree with what you said that they wouldn't sign but my guess has to be that they were paid well enough although I don't know if that's true as I've seen Dawson's payday being touted from $600,000 to $1.3m. Furthermore maybe they were under the false impression that Chad would be fine at 168 and were just mistaken.

As for the retirement of Hopkins you make a good point and I'm now in agreement that this fight should be filed under unlikely.

Ward's career at 168 has peaked and can't really improve due to what he's done. His overall career still has plenty of time and potential achievements left. Personally looking forward to Ward at 175 and respect that he's doing it earlier in his career than Joe even if there's no-one quite as good as 2008 Bhop although Clev and Dawson can't be far off

cheers

 

Show proof of your allegation or shut the **** up simp...Its seriously not that hard...Your lame attempt at being funny will not cut it!

You seriously think these guys would risk their job to make sure Ward will win???...What were they really trying to accomplish with that???...Ward was not nearly as big as he is today as to when the S6 started.

Like I said, you dont have a leg to stand on and you cant be that ****ing dumb to think these guys rigged the tournament for Ward to win.

You're honestly taking stupidity to a new level...This has to be one of the dumbest excuses I ever heard...You're pretty much proving the Thread starter points with your pathetic excuse.

Get real fanboy:verysad

 

You're wasting time homie...That ***** isnt gonna give a break down...He cant...As you can see, you're only getting long winded posts about nothing!

 

My point is why is Ward being criticized for being a stay at home fighter? DLH NEVER left the USA. Mayweather has NEVER left the USA. RJJ when he was relevant and not old and battered, NEVER left the USA. Ward dominates three Euro's in en route to winning the S6, so now travel is an issue? Ward doesn't have to and shouldn't go beat up Kessler and/or Froch a second time just because some butthurt whiny ass fanboys want him to.

Cotto has a ton of fans, how come they aren't asking for a second fight with Floyd in PR? Were Hatton's fans demanding Manny come to the UK and fight him again? The answer is because nobody wants to see a replay of what they already saw, it serves NO PURPOSE. Could Cotto and Hatton do better, sure they could, just like Froch and Kessler could as well, but the outcome whether it's here, over there or on the ****ing moon will most likely be the same.


At the end of the day if these fighters have as much heartburn over Ward fighting at home as their fans do, then Kessler and Froch should move on then. It's that simple. Besides if Ward can't sell a fight and these clowns can make so much more money fighting in their hometowns, then they should do so right?

 

Bingo.

 

Did you actually see any of the tournament? The proof was plain to see. If you want some kind of Watergate-style secret recordings of secret meetings hatching the diabolical plot, you're out of luck.

You just answered your own questions. If, as I suggested, the Super 6 was a vanity tournament, set up purely to build a reputation for Ward with the viewing public in order to try and increase the buyrate for fights involving him, then the organisers aren't in any danger of getting punished for achieving their mission objectives.

I already stated that's exactly what I do think, and I think it's fairly straightforward to arrive at such a conclusion by watching the fights. You haven't offered any logical reason to think otherwise - calling me "****ing dumb" doesn't cut it.

Blah blah, nothing of value was said here...

Who am I a fan of, exactly? If anything, Kessler may have more of a right to complain about his treatment in the S6 than Froch...but I don't even think Kessler is all that. Joe Calzaghe showed him up years ago, and he hasn't shown much progress since then. The problem is, I don't buy the Ward hype either - that's what grinds your gears.

 

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