New Marquez Training Pics ALSO PAC PHOTO

No one from Pac's camp pointed a finger and no one suggested he was on PEDs. In fact, it was almost a non-issue because they were certain that Pacquiao was a full fledged welter. This is what Ariza said:

"I don't know how they're training Marquez. I don't know why Marquez got that big so fast. What I can say though is that we're ready for it. I know what we're doing in our camp. I know what our guy does and can do."

Nowhere close to an accusation.

The whole PED controversy came to light when Juanita's miracle worker, using a FAKE NAME, was exposed by Conte. His excuse? "My last name is too difficult to pronounce". :rofl

Juanita been training and juiced for 6 months in Mexico, out of Angel's miracle lab... the cycling already happened.

:deal

 

I don't think that's true. Heredia, on some bad information, assumed Ariza and Roach were talking trash on him. Read the below interview from Ariza. His response is quite amusing:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11120.html


On his thoughts on JMM and his lawyers looking into his statements:

"Marquez must be so stupid, or he can't read, because the fact of the matter is when I did mention his team, I was giving him credit for having put together a solid team, at least a team of science, and for quit drinking his own **** and throwing rocks, so I was actually admiring the fact that, you know, he was taking the fight serious and moving forward, and getting more of a comprehensive system around him. And then he runs off at the mouth? He needs to focus. Maybe he drank too much **** and it clearly affected the way he reads or interprets things."

And more:

"I mean, he's asking if I want him tested. Why would I want him tested? You don't look that ****ing good, bro. I know you think you do, but if that's as good as you can look if you were on juice, believe me, keep doing what you're doing. Calm down! You don't look that ****ing good. Relax! You know what I mean? I tried to give the guy a compliment saying he looks good and he looks like he's training hard, and then he wants to run off about legal this, or **** test that. Listen, relax, bro! I'm not that ****ing impressed with the way you look. You look okay for a 38-year-old man. You look okay. Bro, this isn't a magazine ad for a wellness center. This is boxing. I mean, don't get me wrong, you look okay bro, but not that ****ing great. He's strutting around, the way he runs off at the mouth; he looks like a dude who just gained five pounds. You know what? I give you a little bit of props for what you've done, but it's not that ****ing great. Marquez needs to chill, bro. You're okay, but you don't look that good. Now calm down. So no, I do not want you steroid tested. I don't care if you do or don't because if you were on it, then you're ****ed because you should look a lot better."

Heredia made himself look like an ass, unfortunately.

 

Ariza agrees that Marquez' training has moved forward light years since, say, the Mayweather fight, where indeed he was throwing rocks and drinking his own urine. Clearly antiquated ideals.

I wonder if vastly improved training could account for him looking slightly more ripped. Imagine that! :think

 

Ariza a G in this interview.

:rofl

But he was dead wrong about Marquez's muscle hindering him.

 

To me, that's all it is.

 

Yeah, he badly understimated him. To his credit, though, he gave Heredia a lot of props in the aftermath. Admired the work he did.

 

Slightly more ripped?

He's got the best body in Mexico! Of any Mexican boxer.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

I already showed pictures showing his body has barely changed over the past few years. Slightly bigger biceps and neck, but that's about it. He probably never even did neck exercises before he had a decent trainer in his camp. Also, it's a fact of human anatomy that a body fills out and expands as it ages. Juan is almost 40 years of age.

But you guys have been saying you can't prove a guy isn't on PEDs by showing his body at various times, but you can use pictures to prove he is on PEDs?

Which is it? :conf


I still haven't heard any explanation as to why his work rate, stamina, power and speed etc have been down in recent fights. If he's on PEDs and can train like a 27 year old, why isn't he performing like one in the ring?

He's got a better trainer now, and the training methods are light years ahead of what he was doing, i.e. throwing rocks and drinking ****. That's all the explanation you need. Let it rest.

 

daym...he looks good.

 

PED's >>> Urine

and who is that trainer?
is that trainer a well known PED's coach?

 

Let's hear it.:bbb

 

You have - but you ignore it and misunderstand it. You think PEDs are a miracle drug, and that's where you're going wrong.

For a start the question doesn't really make sense, because fighting different game plans against different opposition in different fights is going to affect things like punch output, relative speed, power etc. You're not going to fight the exact same fight against Juan Diaz as you do against Floyd Mayweather, and you're not going to fight the same fight against Mayweather as you do against Manny Pacquiao. You're going to look a helluva lot quicker and more powerful fighting against B level guys like Diaz and Katsidis than you are fighting against a fighter like Pacquiao.

I'll say this again, PEDs aren't a miracle drug. They're not going to make you faster than ever, hit harder than ever and have better stamina than at any point in your life if you're 39 years old. But they will help you gain more muscle mass to fight at a higher weight, they will help you burn off that excess fat that would be difficult to burn off at that age, they will help you recover quicker than most men of 39, they will give you more energy to train for longer than most men of 39 (thus enabling you to get in better shape). And finally, they will give you more confidence going up against an opponent you believe to be using them.

For some reason you expect someone who has taken PEDs to go in the ring and fight like an absolute beast with unprecedented speed and unprecedented power. That is where you're going waaaaay off course. Any familiarity with the history of PEDs in boxing shows that this isn't the case.

Against De La Hoya, Shane Mosley was juiced to the eyeballs on BALCO's cream and clear, the PED cocktail that helped win multiple Olympic golds and set numerous world records. Shane Mosley didn't suddenly turn in to a destroyer.

Fernando Vargas used PEDs for his fight against Oscar De La Hoya, didn't stop him getting knocked out.

Larry Olubamiwo confessed to taking a cocktail of 13 different performance enhancing drugs, didn't stop him getting knocked out against a fat man.


But beyond that, the biggest flaw in this whole 'his performance wasn't amazing' argument is that we wouldn't even know what a clean, 39 year old, 147lb Marquez would perform like. We have nothing to compare it to. The only comparison we have is what he looked like against Mayweather, in which he looked soft and like a man past his physical peak trying to fight in a weight class he wasn't cut out for.

 

Man, I have ALWAYS maintained that JMM beat Pac all three times, and I always support JMM. HOWEVER, I have to be honest, and I know people are going to flame away by saying that you can't tell if a person is using PEDs solely by looking at a pic. BUT, JMM has muscles on top of muscles and this is at 38yrs of age. I would be extremely disappointed if he in fact were to pop positive in a test.

 

As you get older your body produces less and less testosterone. This means that as you age it is harder to work at the same intensity as you used it, it takes longer to recover, it's harder to gain muscle mass, it's harder to burn fat and it's just generally harder to get in the same shape as you did when you were younger. This is an unquestionable fact.

This is why testosterone replacement therapy is becoming increasingly popular (both in society and sports). Fighters are using things like TRT to boost their testosterone levels to where they were in their physical prime, thus prolonging their careers and allowing them to get in shape to fight at that top level for an extra few years.

 

Did you ever read the interview with Heredia?