Ultimate Speed VS Ultimate Power. Ernie Shavers VS Roy Jones JR who wins and how?

1. Jones wins. Shavers throws one punch at a time and won't touch Jones.
2. Shavers' power is laughably overrated. He is nowhere near the most powerful puncher of all time. Shavers beat up a bunch of cruiserweight bums. That's the reality. Feel free to love it.

 

Shavers steamrolls him in a couple of rounds.

 

Jones has to be perfect all night, Shavers just has to get it right once. Gotta go with Shavers

 

Another horrible thread by an increasingly horrible audience on this forum.

 

:deal

 

Let's get this straight.

So a featherfisted, glassjawed bum like Bob Stallings can beat and nearly stop a prime Shavers, but Roy Jones has to be perfect all night and can't?

 

The converse to that is "So a 175lb glen johnson can knock out Jones, but one of the hardest punchers of all time can't?"

That's why those arguements don't really hold up. No one knows what would happen. The op asked my opinion and I gave it.

Jones has had 1 fight at heavyweight against a mediocre champion. Shavers has had an entire career and would be more comfortable at the weight. Based on that, I pick Shavers.

 

:thinkas a MASSIVE jones fan, you've made a very good argument here. i'm gonna think on this

 

Remember that Ruiz got totally clowned by Jones like it was smw again, got his nose broken and learned early that Jones had the power to hurt him.

Besides David Tua, who else could get Ruiz in such a convincing way?

 

Maybe its my Napoleonic complex but I have to lean toward Jones in this one, speed kills as my grandfather used to say. Shavers is tough, but Roy is just too fast, too tough, and I believe would frustrate the hell out of Shavers, who is overrated; only having one fight at the weight would hurt him but oh well, he soared through the ranks and got out as soon as possible, I don't count this against him.

 

Shavers wins quite brutally.

Epic mismatch.

 

Roy Jones was planning on fighting Holyfield/Lewis/Tyson.
Holyfield lost against Ruiz, later the fight didn't come either.
Lewis retired after the Vitali fight. (Lewis was first planning to fight Jones after Vitali but he was not happy with his performance)
Tyson got bankrupt

 

He should have fought holy, Tyson, Toney and Byrd. All winnable fights and all pretty enhancing to his legacy and resume.

He'd achieved greatness as an unbeatable mw-lhw this would have secured a top 10 lock.

 

I don't know about Byrd and Toney but RJJ isn't to blame why he didn't fight Holy or Tyson.

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PC: You were handling Roy Jones when he captured the heavyweight title. I understand at one point he was very serious about fighting Lewis, Holyfield or Tyson. How close where those fights to being a reality?

MM: When he won the heavyweight championship of the world, he was the king of the mountain. Once we won the heavyweight title, he was the man. It was the ultimate goal. He told me, "Let's go get Lennox Lewis." Lennox Lewis accepted $25 million to fight Roy Jones Jr., but he had one obstacle in front of him and that was HBO had to put him in there against Klitschko. Keep in mind, Klitschko was supposed to fight the kid from Canada [Kirk Johnson]. The kid from Canada pulled out, so HBO was stuck with egg on their face and they needed someone to fulfill that position. Well, Lennox Lewis said, "No man, I'm not going to fight him for that kind of money when next year, ya'll are going to have to pay me a great deal of money. I'll fight him next year." But when I put $25 million on the table, he said, "Let's fight Klitschko now!" Now HBO should have sent me a letter or a check or anything else because I saved them. And Lennox Lewis went in there and he won the fight, but he was embarrassed at how he won the fight. He didn't do as good as he wanted to do, so he retired. So that fight went out of the window.

Then we went and got Evander Holyfield. We offered Evander Holyfield $9 million. His lawyer at the time said that Don King owed him $2 million and they argued over why Don King should pay him $2 million. He [Don King] allowed me to offer him $9 million because he didn't have to. I said, "Well, Don is right. He don't have to let me give you $9 million when he's got an exclusive contract. You can't charge the man $2 million when he's allowing you to make $9 million, which you can not make without me." The lawyer thought Don should pay $2 million [on top of the $9 million offer], so I went up to $10 million. I said, "Look, here is $10 million. Let Don go for the million and this fight is on." He said, "Nah, Holyfield won't do that!" I said, "That don't make any sense." So Don goes out and calls Holyfield everything you can think of. He said, "I tell you what! I will go back and present this to Holyfield." So I saw him [Holyfield's lawyer] in the bathroom and I said, "First of all counselor, I appreciate that you are negotiating in good faith, because one thing about African Americans, for some reason, a Caucasian don't have their welfare in mind. HBO needs this fight. Who says he's not going to win? It's up to the will of God whether he wins this fight or not. He beats Roy Jones Jr. and not only does he make $10 million, but he makes another $25 million for a rematch. So that's a great deal of money, especially if you telling me that Holyfield needs the money. However, don't go back and tell your boxer [Holyfield] everything that Don King said because if you do that, I know us as a people. Holyfield's going to tell everybody to go to Hell." Well, because I later promoted Holyfield, he told me that's just what happened. The lawyer never told him that there was $10 million on the table; he just said that Don called him all kinds of names, so he [Holyfield] said, "The hell with Don King." He went on and fought the next fight and lost, so things happen when you leave your welfare in the hands of mercenaries. So we lost Holyfield.

Then one day, just before Thanksgiving, Roy said, "Let's go get Mike Tyson." I said, "You sure?" He said, "Yes. I want Mike! I can beat Mike Tyson. Let's go get Mike Tyson." So I called Mike and Mike met me in New Jersey at 1 o'clock in the morning. I flew all the way in from Florida to see Mike. I offered Mike $25 million to fight Roy Jones Jr. He accepted it. He called Roy on the phone and told Roy Jones Jr. that he's willing to fight, let's do this, but he asked Roy for one thing. He said, "If I lose the fight, you give me a rematch. If we do 3 fights man, I guarantee we'll never have to work again in this sport." He told him, "Roy, I'm gonna dog you. Don't take it personal. I'm not crazy. I'm going to dog you because it's going to sell a lot of tickets. I love you today and I will love you when it's over with. The fight is on." Some kind of way, Mike Tyson needed to get out of the deal that he was in. He said he wanted to file bankruptcy. I said, "Mike, if you're going to file bankruptcy, you should file Chapter 7." He said, "No because I'm going to lose my automobiles." He was worried about automobiles. I said, "Listen, you file Chapter 7, the kind of money you're getting ready to make, you can buy any kind of automobile you want out there." Someone convinced him to file Chapter 11, where all of his money had to go into an escrow account and be governed by Shelly Finkel; they were going to hold it right there. That's what ruined the fight.