Greatest Achievement By a Heavyweight

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Webbiano, Nov 26, 2012.


  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I consider vitalis comeback superior to foremans.
     
  2. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's an incredibly bold statement. Would you care to justify yourself?
     
  3. johnmaff36

    johnmaff36 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Many many great achievements listed but personally i cant go past Foreman regaining the title. I still get goosebumps watching the KO
     
  4. Senor Pepe'

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    Sonny Liston,

    For having the 'balls' to dive twice.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    At age 40+ he's established himself as a clear number 2 heavyweight and a top 10 p4p boxer. He wins his fights convincingly and controversy free.

    For a short while he was even considered by a handful to be the best hw on the planet.

    George had a great comeback but only really had 1 meanigful victory against moorer who was never the number 1 heavyweight by my reckoning.
     
  6. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So let me get this straight (your words not mine) A man who retired at the top of the division, came back after 4 years to establish himself as the second best heavyweight of a weak era better than a man who retired and came back 10 years later in horrible shape to win the Lineal title in one of the strongest eras of heavyweight boxing at the age of 45.

    Can't see it I'm afraid. It's not like I don't get where your coming from, but it makes no sense to me.
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Well basically in this particular instance I rate the wbc belt above the lineal belt.

    I had bowe v holy 2 a draw and I thought holy edged out moored in the first.

    I don't think moorer was ever in the top 3 of the world.

    I guess it depends how you view the lineal championship and it's worth.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Foreman came back in one of the strongest eras but steered his ship clear of the most dangerous fighters (Tyson, Bowe, Lewis, Ruddock...) and lost to the best (Holyfield, Morrison, Stewart (?) Schultz (?)) he fought outside of 10 seconds against the flawed and not considerably intelligent Moorer.
     
  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    What about Max Schmeling knocking out a prime joe louis?
     
  10. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    The 11 year reign.
     
  11. The Spider

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    The biggest single achievement IMO was Ali beating Foreman. Particularly using the unorthodox method he employed to wear the human wrecking ball down, and then finally out. Huge buildup to that fight too.
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Vitali came back from a long retirement to easily beat a guy who had previously bullied his more talented younger brother. This is a good argunent for Vitali because he looked so damned good aginst Peter. on the other hand, the significance of Foreman's comeback and ko of Mercer can't be denied either. God help Foreman had he faced Kewis that night, but he fought a weak assed fighter in Moorer instead. This can't be held against him nonethe less. There's an argument for both of them really.
     
  13. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ali and Schmeling both have high accomplishments.
     
  14. Senor Pepe'

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    George Foreman,,,,,,,

    Beating himself in October 1974.

    Never been done before or after.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    George Foreman's comeback is miles better than Vitali's imo.
    The man was walking around at 300+ pounds for almost 10 years, came back at 38 years old starting with tomato can opponents in carnival tents, training in his basement. It started out as an odd backwater curiosity story, no one predicted it would lead anywhere at all.
    You can even ignore the Moorer win, or anything past 1991 - going 12 rounds with champion Holyfield was enough to make it an unbelievable story. Like a Rocky film.

    Vitali had a great comeback, but he spent those four years in shape and getting his shoulder rested and surgically fixed. He had a team around him priming him for a comeback. He had the WBC beckoning him back.