Foreman and Frazier too high Vitali and Tyson too low Jack Johnson isn't worth speculating on, in my opinion
like the list but tyson is too low for me. see him beating ( in those first 4 rounds) more great fighters than holyfield could period
Foreman was an incomplete fighter in his first incarnation, which is what we're using. (Shitty pacing, no defense.) Frazier was undersized, had a limited defense, and could be bulldozed or outboxed depending on the opponent. Vitali is physically huge, has a chin and stamina, and boxes well enough to virtually never drop a round. Not getting into Tyson, but he had a lot in his prime. There's no reliable footage of Johnson and boxing was completely different back then.
I think Lewis should be a bit lower. And Tyson definitely above Vitali Klitschko. Maybe Wlad over Sonny Liston because of dominance.
i see what you're saying but you take let's say the top 30 heavies of all time, and which fighter beats more?
I'm right about everything. :bart Holy beats as many great Heavies as Tyson, what round they win in or whether its by KO or not is of little significance. More importantly, Evander takes Mike's soul anytime they go up against each other.
same question as above though, take 30 great heavies and who beats more? i think it takes a VERY special fighter to beat a prime tyson (only one guy did so and that was on the best night of his life) i see holy getting beating by less than special fighters based on his sporadic performances and tendancy to abandon a plan on a whim
I'd have to have a top 30 to say. Looking at the top 15 (and I don't call anyone past that 'great'), I'd say its about evens. Personally, I'd favor Holyfield over one or two more. Tyson winning more spectacularly most of the time, but not winning more. His losses against the greats would be more spectacular as well. This content is protected Me too. Anyone I pick to beat the best or near-best version of Holyfield is going to be damn special. Maybe he doesn't hold it together against the greats for as long as Tyson, but maybe not. He never got Buster'ed, I know that much. When I'm talking H2H, I'm talking about the very best version of each guy doing a round-robin kind of thing anyway. I'll take the best Evander Holyfield over as many greats as I'll take the best Mike Tyson, but only one of them gets to have the other on his list, and for me, that one ain't Mike.