Arum turns down Schaefer's Offer for Donaire-Mares and Matthysse-Rios

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  1. Rudyard

    Rudyard **** How You Feel!! HOE! banned

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    You care to elaborate on this? You cant be seriously with this non-sense!:-(
     
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  2. gigogreco

    gigogreco Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the greed some of these guys have, is ruining this sport. Sure, protect your invstment, but to a certain degree.

    Taking a stance like arum, can and will result in one thing, at that is portraying boxing as a sport, where the best do not fight the best.
     
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  3. Hermit

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    Geez, you only attracted one hater for that comment D50. I guess the rest have moved on to something else already. :lol:

    Thanks for the kind words. You see what others refuse to.:good
     
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  4. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Could any of the Arum defenders either dispute the accuracy of this timeline or explain why it's somehow wrong for fans to scold Arum as a result? Thanks.
     
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  5. kirk

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    This.

    I dont quite get this Arum defending.

    Seems pretty simple. Oscar was willing to give Mares to Bob to make the Donaire fight, if Bob gave him Rios to make the Lucas fight (both fighters being given would have been the underdogs)

    And going from whats given to us, which is the only thing anyone can comment on, Arum declined on the principle of trading fighters.

    I dont know why people are asking for the figures of the deal, Arum doesnt mention anything about numbers, hes declining on the principle of giving up Rios for Mares.

    Arum is the one that killed these fights, as usual.
     
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  6. kirk

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    Not really. Happens in mma too.
     
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  7. Hermit

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    The Rios counter offer was a way out of the Mares offer. Nothing more. Nothing less. It may seem fair on the surface but GBP knew it would be rejected when they made it. Rios is 'on hold'. The whole ****ing boxing world knows that except a few posters here.
     
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  8. kirk

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    You realise they were countering an already unfair offer, right? With Arum basically saying give me Mares if you want to make Mares/Donire

    So given the context they were asking for Rios, I dont see the problem. That it was a deal killer is on Top Rank, not GBP.

    Oscar said fine, and called Arum out on his ****. Had Arum compromised and met GBP halfway after hes the one that started with the unrealistic demands, we would have had two awesome fights to look forward to.

    Fact remains, the reason why these two great fights arent happening is at Arums feet.

    Nothing posted in this thread changes that. Arum killed these fights from happening before they ever got to the negotiating table, period.
     
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  9. MrMagic

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    And this is what ruins boxing.
     
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  10. Rudyard

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    Glad somebody else notices that as well.:good
     
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  11. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    Yeah its hopeless at this point. Its gonna die soon I hate to say. Getting to the point where we will be forced to talk about Gomez like he's still an active fighters and in his prime for instance. Might as well get my fade and colorful clothes ready.....
     
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  12. ishy

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    Makes sense. Rios is worth more to Bob than Mares is to GBP. Bob wants to make Rios/Pac next year.

    AND if GBP want to give Matthysse a big fight they've got Garcia, Khan, Maidana and Guerrero in their stable. But they don't want to risk one of their OWN cashcows against Lucas they want Bob's.

    **** GBP and their bull****.
     
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  13. Hermit

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    OK. You seem to know all the details of these negotiations. Wanna spill the offer sheet quotes?
     
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  14. kirk

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    Thats what you dont seem to be getting Hermit (with due respect), there were no negotiations.

    Arum literally killed these fights before any negotiations could take place.

    He declined these fights on the principle of giving up Rios for Mares, after he started it by saying in order to make a Mares/Donaire fight GBP would have to give him Mares.

    When they said ok, but lets trade him for Rios for one fight, he then killed the offer and sent an insult with it.

    Again, nowhere does Arum say they were offering him bad numbers.

    Given his statements, he declined on the principle, before any number negotiations took place.
     
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  15. kirk

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    Point is, he could have tried to work with GBP to make Mares vs Donaire, instead hes the one that started this whole 'give me him to make the fight' bull****.

    The whole Rios/Matthysse was only brought up to try and compromise with a completely unreasonable Arum demand in the first place.

    Yet fans say **** GBP :patsch
     
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