Quarry was a talented fighter in some regards. He had a nice counter hook. He had stamina, a solid chin and guts to spare. His hand speed was very good for a heavyweight too. However his power was just OK. He was small. He had issues with cuts, and above all else he didn’t always fight smart. There were times when Quarry should have boxed, but he opted to slug and vice versa. Jeffries is bigger, and hits harder. Quarry would not be too hard to find. I would pick Jeffries to take Quarry out in the mid to late rounds. Jeffries athleticism, hand speed, footwork and defensive abilities remain misunderstood by many modern boxing fans. Lack of film is the primary reason. The film of him in the ring that survives runs slow, and is choppy. Yet the papers of the time, and Jeffries opponents all spoke of the above attributes. And his training film which is clear and up close for views concurs with the news papers.
Would not this, "lack of film" also apply to yourself? Or, do you possess footage that others have hitherto not seen? Did Jeffries hit harder than Quarry? On what do you base this premise? Was Jeffries superior to Quarry in handspeed,footwork,defensive ability? The limited footage would appear to indicate otherwise. Jeffries was cut to pieces by a near forty years old 172lbs man who was coming out of two years retirement. Also ,when was Jeffries hit by combinations from a real heavyweight? Nineteen of his twenty three opponents were under 190lbs.At least eleven of them by very significant margins. Please elaborate on his inherent advantages over Quarry.
It is my hunch that the Fitzsimmons that Jeffries fought second time round, would probably have torn Quarry a new anus. Take it or leave it.
Confrontational? Reports of the second Fitz Jeffries fight say that Fitz reamed out Jeffries rectum pretty good, and that Jeffries only won because of his huge weight, size, and age advantages. I've posted them before. I haven't made a pick here but I'm immune to fairy tales, and hyperbole. http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/James_J._Jeffries_vs._Bob_Fitzsimmons_(2nd_meeting) http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/l...es&y=15&x=16&dateFilterType=yearRange&index=7 I repeat what I have stated previously. NO FIGHT FOOTAGE EXTANT SHOWS JEFFRIES DEMONSTRATING THIS VAUNTED SPEED, AND ELUSIVE DEFENSIVE ABILITIES . TAKE OR LEAVE THAT.
We absolutely cannot dispute that quarry looks better on film. Picking a great based on legend is always a bit iffy to me. Jeffries was usually a backfoot fighter until he was battered by fitz. Does any footage suggest Jeffries could outbox Quarry? I haven't seen it if so. Maybe there isn't enough footage of Jeffries in his prime which is fair enough but without that footage he can not be favoured.
I have always felt the comparison to be a misguided one. They both had good chins and fought out of a crouch, but that is where the similarity ends.
Those that saw Jeff in his prime ranked him as a very heavy hitter. Along the same Vein as Dempsey and Louis.
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i agree it's not perfect but any means but would you say it's the closest comparison we have? i think it gives us a small indication of how the styles match up. i feel that jeffries would be able to push quarry back and set up the right hand. however, would that play into quarry's gameplan as a counterpuncher? how effective would jeffries bodywork be? over 15 rounds, would jeffries steady and physical grind-down take too long, leaving the way for a possible quarry decision?
When compared to Fitz , his results against common opponents do not stand up. The distance that several of his better opposition went against him suggests a good but not explosive hitter who relied on attrition to wear his man down. Damage inflicted on a couple of his challengers is always cited as proof he was a dynamite puncher. I believe smaller gloves, and the fact that most of his challlengers were significantly smaller than him was the reason for this. If a 220lbs man is hitting an incoming 170/175lbs man with little gloves he should make an impression on him don't you think? Jeffries hurt Ruhlin to the body, and his corner pulled Gus out, but Ruhlin had been beaten into the ground by Fitzsimmons a year earlier, he lay in a coma like state all night with blood coming out of his ears and a doctor in attendance because there was a real fear he might succumb to his injuries. Reports stressed how Fitz caved in Ruhlin with body shots. Jeffries cracked Sharkey's rib so it is claimed ,well 12 weeks later, Sharkey kod Joe Goddard, quick recovery for what is a very painful injury I can assure you. Sharkey conceding loads of weight, and height ,twice went the distance with Jeffries yet Fitz twice took him out with one punch kos. :think The evidence points to Jeffries being a good but not devasting hitter .