1964 Ring Magazine- No credit to Ali after beating Liston

Not around at the time, but find it puzzling none the less :huh

 

Perhaps???...Senor Pepe has been right all along?

 

Nat Fleischer hated both of them, but he truly loathed Liston. There was no way that Liston's defeat was not going to be gloated about. And Fleischer was not going to let the fact that someone he also hated beat him, get in the way...

Fleischer was responsible for a lot of good in the sport, but if things did not go his way, all the toys came out the pram, and he held a grudge well too boot.

 

They simply could n't believe what their eyes saw. Ali outfoxed,outboxed and outfought 'Sonny,the Indestuctable'

 

Always interesting that Clay goes into his "victory dance" before Liston informs the referee he is not coming out of his corner.

 

It is Ali's best match, in my opinion, considering the level of opposition, manner of victory and the circumstances (blinding).

 

Scan the pages with the Liston-Clay stuff and post them.

 

The 'boxing pundits' and 'so-called experts' knew the fight was a hoax.

Sonny Liston was 'not' that bad, and Cassius Clay was 'not' that good.

Ring Magazine wanted to take a 'closer look' at the circumstances, and did
not want to 'shoot' themselves in the foot, by claiming Cassius was great,
in a fight that was eventually found to be 'bizarre' and with strange dealings.

April 1964
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the liston corner looked animated and show signs that they may quit. ali starts to shuffle, then the ref turns round. he knows he has won

 

Everybody knew that Sonny Liston should had gotten the 'most' credit in that
'fake fight'.

His performance was the most convincing.

Cassius, on the other hand, had done very little since the fast flurry in the
beginning of Round 3.

Both fighters followed the 'script' fairly well, but Cassius was supposed to go
down at the end of Round 4.

 

they were old fashioned and set in their ways - ali was a new type of heavyweight with a mouth they didn't like and underestimated. after the cooper knockdown they naturally thought that liston would kill him as soon as he landed a punch. clay was reaching his full maturity and starting to peak. the cooper knockdown was a big wake up call for the overcocky clay.

 

Senor Pepe - Re Cassius having done Little since the fast flurry at the beginning of round 3 - I seem to recall that Cassius, Having come through the earlier "Burning Eyes" episode, had a very good 6th round, it seemed to be a softening up round, certainly of a mentally deflating Liston...with the promise of more to come in the 7th..and with the 8th round prediction looking ever more achievable... Cassius's continued survival and indeed growing confidence was probably a big factor in Sonny's fold...i think he did indeed do something after the 3rd