Pacquiao's decline- when did it come?

Although he's declined, it looks a lot worse because he's fighting opponents who move, have defense and can counter punch. Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey and Margarito thought they could bully the little guy. Mosley found out Pac couldn't cut off the ring but showed in his last two fights he didn't have it anymore, still you could see Pac couldn't connect the same.. Marquez moved and countered, gave Pac hell. Bradley moved and countered with ****ed up ankles, but still should have lost. Marquez will give Pac hell in this fight.. If Pac wins, he'll look like a God against Rios, because the style fights right into Pac's hands..

 

And Mosley had such great success with his strategy that he managed to lose every single round.

It was a brilliant strategy. One for the record books.

 

The thing with Pacquaio is the secret is out with this guy. Nazim said it himself when he was talking about how people get suckered into Pacquaio being this little guy they can walk through.

People realize that he can hit. Pacquaio, like the great Ray Robinson and guys like Dempsey is a huge puncher for his size.

This is why Mosley ran and why Bradley ran. Once they felt his power, they knew that engaging Pacquaio in a war would be futile and likely leave them knocked out unconscious or with broken bones.

Marquez does the best job because he will stand in the pocket, but use swift lateral movement and pivots to keep Pacquaio from setting his feet.

If you let this guy set his feet, he will eat you up.

The thing is, Mosley was scared to throw punches, due in part because he couldn't pull the trigger anymore, and Bradley was scared to commit to anything because Pacquaio was spinning his head around like the exorcist.

 

Not really he's fighting guys who don't let him use those advantages like that and who it's harder to look great against. Bradley is a smart guy who can fight outside and inside is a good athlete and isn't there to be hit. JMM is a counter puncher with educated footwork who also isn't there to be hit. He would always not look as good vs these types.:deal If he fought Brandon Rios he could use his speed and footspeed and exploit Rios who's there to be hit and look like 95% of what he did against those types in the past who are tailormade for him

 

JMM sure has no problems getting hit in his other fights................................

 

Mosley had the right gameplan but was far too shot to be able to execute it fully especially on offense. If Mosley had anything left he would have been able to pull the trigger and hit Pac a hell of a lot more. Even Brother Naz said after the fight you lost but you gave the blueprint on how to beat the mutha****er.:deal

 

Everybody knows JMM is his nemesis. Big deal, JMM is a great fighter, we're not talking Ken Norton or Junior Jones. Other than JMM 3, Pac hasn't had a close fight since JMM 2, agree?

 

JMM against lesser opponents will get hit more but against Pac he doesn't get hit as much because he fights him somewhat differently. He uses his educated footwork and his great counter-punching to give Pac hell. JMM has trouble with Pac when he plays his game and elects to trade when he boxes he usually wins those stretches of the fight going away.

 

Don't get me wrong, he's right.

That is the way to beat Pacquaio. That's why a guy like Martinez would be an absolute nightmare for him because he has size, reach, and footspeed.

And like Marquez, Martinez pivots a lot as opposed to walking straight back.

Honestly, this is the reason why I disagree that Mayweather is a guarenteed win over Pacquaio because it appears like he's gotten much easier to push against the ropes.

I feel like his last great mobile performance was against Baldomir, who was terribly slow, but Mayweather still showed his greatness.

If that Mayweather shows up, Pacquaio will be in for a long night and probably reduced to a puncher's chance; however, if the Mayweather that's been showing up recently shows up, I expect Pacquaio to break him down and stop him late.

To be honest with you, I don't think Mosley at any stage of his career would beat Pacquaio. Yes, Mosley has good footwork, but his punching mechanics and defense are not good enough in my opinion to contend with an ATG fighter like Pacquaio.

But yes, if you engage with Pacquaio, you get knocked out. That's all there is to it. If Marquez engages too long in this fight, I expect him to get knocked out.

Hopefully those roids he's probably on don't give him the confidence that he can trade with Pacquaio.

 

If Mosley had anything left, there's no chance he'd go running. That's not Mosley, he's a power boxer who doesn't back down. Funny thing, he had even less in the tank vs Canelo, stood in front of him all night

It's amazing how you can see mostly bad in a shutout + kd + sending iron chinned warrior running, first and only time ever. Hard to please, eh? You'd give him more credit if he was on jelly legs twice in round 2?

 

For the record, I think Mosley was embarrased in his performance against Pacquaio and wanted to prove that he was still a warrior, which is why he fought more against Canelo.

Honestly, his corner should be ashamed of themselves for not pulling the plug on their fighter and throwing in the towel because it looked like Mosley didn't really want to be there and he was getting hit too much.

 

I think he's slowed just a bit but some stans like to overstate this...He's been facing guys that didnt sit in front of him...I think the movement these fighters he's faced has made it rather difficult for Manny to unleash his combonations. ( not his lose of his hunger:-()

If he could actually cut down the ring instead of chasing his opponent, people would be singing a different tune.

 

PBF can move not like he used to but he can still move if need be. He did it in the round 12 against Cotto. He has been more stationary because he's been heavily criticized for being a runner and lastly he has grown into a legit ww who can now stand his ground at 147. He had a point to prove against Mosley and Cotto stood in front of them and he proved it. He could use more movement but it's still easy work for him to just stand in front of a guy more, make them mis and outbox them. If he fought Pac he would move more as well as tieing him up and fighting him on the inside where he has a big advantage. Pac would be in for a long night against PBF who's all wrong for him.

 

I disagree with you saying he wanted to trade more with Cotto. Floyd will sell a fight regardless of how he fights as long as he maitains his undefeated record and has the same attitude.

I think Floyd went into the Cotto fight attempting to utilize the same type of strategy Klitschko used against Haye for example, where he intended on putting pressure on the moving Cotto from the center of the ring.

Cotto likes to move a lot and I think it may have surprised Mayweather a little when Cotto was immediately aggressive, although Floyd clearly prepared for it.

But I think the 12th had a lot to do with Cotto, characteristically gassing, and then Floyd who's always had excellent stamina, taking advantage of the situation and implementing the gameplan he initially wanted to do.

I think he was somewhat surprised at Cotto's jab, but I think every fighter that gets in with Cotto is a little surprised by his jab.

This may have also promted Mayweather to go to the ropes because he felt Cotto was more dangerous than anticipated in the center of the ring, and he didn't want to get caught following Cotto and running into his jab.

This also allowed Cotto to tire himself out.

Against Mosley, once Mayweather stopped sleep walking, he used intelligent, hesitant pressure from the center of the ring and took advantage of Mosley's lack of pure boxing skills and hesitance to get aggressive.

You may be right if Mayweather is the same guy as he was, then he will utilized much more movement. But if he continues his recent tendency of backing up in straight lines I can see Pacquaio maybe dropping him at some point in the fight.

Coincidently, I think Martinez would also be a nightmare match up for Mayweather.

Well...Martinez and Angulo, for very different reasons of course.

 

Fair post except the part about Angulo, who quite frankly just isn't all that good. I would give Angulo a puncher's chance against PBF if that. PBF would land on Angulo like a rain on a tin roof. He's too slow, plodding and too easy to hit all he has is size and toughness that's it. Toughness is overrated skills are not. Skills win fights and at the end of the day PBF has more skills than Angulo does.