Anyone else delighted that Mayweather vs Pac talk is over

Good analogy, Ero. I'd be proud of that one myself. :good

This is how much of a genius Mayweather is. He turned his proposed fight with Pacquiao into a political debate. What’s the debate when they can just fight? Floyd trapped so many people in the side by side comparison. Most fighters including those that are better than Floyd will fall to him in a side by side comparison. Floyd is less flawed than most, but the sum of the parts sometimes outweigh things broken down. If you break everything down he is better than Manny, but that doesn’t mean he can beat him in a fight. They had to fight for us to decide that.

It irks the hell out of me when Floyd rants off his faulty logic and not one person has said wait a minute Floyd…….. Ok the first point. They say Manny only fights in house fighters. That’s true but so do you Floyd. Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley and Victor Ortiz. Miguel Cotto were all Golden Boy fighters at the time Floyd fought them. So Floyd was doing the same thing Manny was doing. Manny went outside the Top Rank stable with Oscar and Hatton. Floyd has not since he fought Oscar. Both fighters make in house fights. But with all the mayweather chatter, telling people that Top Rank makes in house fights, you'd think it was only Pacquiao that was doing it.

Next is the most important point. Floyd keeps telling everybody that you don’t become special at 25. This is something he and his camp constantly keep trotting out. There is this thing called a time and date it doesn’t lie. Manny Pacquiao was born in '78. He won his first title in '98 against Chatchai Sasakul. So he was 20 years old. He won his second title in 2001 against Lehlo Ledwaba as an underdog. He was 22 when he won his second title in the second division. He won his third title in 2003 against MAB. All of these fights he won by brutal stoppage, no controversy.

In Manny’s first three title tries his opponents combined records were 123-5-1. No easy road. One of the champions was an all time great and RING champion. Manny accomplished all of this before his 25th birthday. His record before he turned 25 was 38-2-1 with 29 kos, with three titles in three different divisions. The most impressive part about this tenure in Manny’s career is he skipped junior bantamweight and bantamweight. Manny could have been the most accomplished fighter ever under 25 had he not decided to skip two divisions. Pacquiao actually won more titles at an earlier age than Floyd has and he skipped two divisions in doing so.

Manny Pacquiao has been a great fighter for a very long time.

 

I reckon it will still happen just think:

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I never thought at any point along the way that the fight would actually take place and still don't. Glad the nauseating speculation has died down.

 

Agreed.

 

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Agreed.

 

No doubt. I mean if him beating Barrera didn't get your attention, the nothing he does after that will. Head to head, most would pick Floyd. In terms of record, I believe Pac will go down as the greater fighter. Floyd has the 0, but when people talk about the legendary fighters of the past, there's usually a rivalry, or an epic battle that people remember them for. Pacquiao and Marquez have each other, Barrera and Morales have each other, Gatti and Ward, SRL and the other three horsemen, Robinson LaMotta etc. If there's not a rivalry, there's a stand out fight. Floyd doesn't have that kind of legend. He won't lose sleep over it now, but maybe once he's retired and looks back on his career, I wonder if he'll have regrets.

 

I stopped talking about it, last year when Marquez beat him.

The only people who continued to talk about it..? Was Mayweather haters.

 

Manny Pacquiao was the biggest fight Floyd Mayweather could make, but was it really his biggest challenge...? Nope.

And deep down, all you people know it would be a easy fight.

 

It may have been, PK. But that's why they fight the fights. No one really knows what would've happened. We can't keep giving a guy credit for winning fights on paper. Why do that when they could've just fought?

I don’t like to use the word scared when it comes to fighters. But Floyd was bothered by Manny’s style so much so he didn't feel comfortable fighting him. That’s it in a nutshell. You can use whatever words you want, but that’s it for me.

You don't think it would've been Mayweather's biggest challenge? maybe you're right. But Team Mayweather wouldn't agree with you...The man who developed Floyd wouldn't agree with you...In fact there's videos all over the place where Mayweather Sr. is telling you he doesn't want his son to fight Pacquiao. Basically telling you that he's afraid for his sons safety and he doesn't think he can win.

Floyd never really liked fighting southpaws imo. For me it's because of the 'angle'. He has to be more aggressive when he fights southpaws and he’s squared up. Most defensive teachers will tell you it’s a no no to be squared up. But Floyd sacrifices his defense to be squared up so he can sneak his right hand closer to the target. The big problem in a Pacquiao fight would've been, you can’t let Manny hit on you and if you’re squared up it will be easier for him to do that. The damage he has done to fighters has hospital warning all over it. In my opinion that’s why Big Floyd didn't like the fight for his son.

The testing was the distraction. That was the throw off. When the testing wasn't an issue, money become the issue. Then he kept moving the goalposts. PK, it’s shocking to me that people didn't see this. This was a straight up con job man. I find it insulting to Floyd’s fans that they have stuck by him. Some won’t admit it openly but I know they have to be saying dam, we repeated your argument everytime and then you kept changing on us.

Last thing, since Mayweather fans are so hung up on stats and undefeated records. Ask Floyd who his toughest career fights were against...Emanuel Augustus ,Luis Castillo and Zab Judah. None of them were undefeated. Judah is a fast hard punching southpaw, Augustus is a hard man, very busy and punches from unconventional angles and Castillo is a dog who pressures you ALL night. Did you ever stop to think Manny a couple of years ago possessed all of those traits?

 

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Im going to print this off and show it you my brothers friends, who are 'boxing' fans (in reality they are Floyd E Entertainment fans)

 

I for one am glad it has pretty much beenput to bed now.

Of course I wanted the fight to take place, but I always felt that the event would be better than the fight itself.

The build-up and anticipation would have been fantastic and this forum would have been on fire!

I have always thought that Mayweather would have handled Pacquaio quite comfortably though and that the result would have been a clear points win for Mayweather.

Who would I have liked to win? Not sure.

My heart says Pacquaio because he is such a fascinating, talented and multi-layered individual.

My head says Mayweather.

For him to retire undeafeated having faced his most 'dangerous' rival would have been some achievement.

Ultimately though it is an utter disgrace that this fight never happened; all concerned should be ashamed of themselves as far as I am concerned.