Marquez wasn't that good...

I have been amazed how few people on this board noticed the body work JMM did.
It was clear from round 1 that after every exchange JMM made it a point to go for a heavy body blow it even made Pac wince a few times.

JMM covered all the bases to get that KO no matter if it was early or late, winning rounds was never the plan.

I did not see any decline there i saw a man completely changing his fight plan from outboxing (judges rob him anyway) to just purely going for the knockout.
To set his feet for those heavy blows he would not be able to use as much movement to avoid punches.

JMM is a master at punching when someone else is punching the most difficult form of counter punching.

It was pretty clear that if it had gone the distance Pac would have won pretty clearly but that was a calculated risk.

Thing about Marquez is that once he finds something he can exploit he just gets better and better at it

Could see him training the punch in sparring, he cracked Pac with it early, then executed it in the 5th and then executed it to perfection in the 6th.

He could not get this KO if he fought his usual boxer/counter style there would be too much movement to offset Pac for him to set his feet like that.

 

I disagree with what you said about JMM not being that good.

JMM wasn't there to look good minute after minute, he was ther to look good when Pac was KTFO.

I'm so impressed with JMM because he called it and he delivered.

Had he fought like in fights 1, 2, and 3, he would have outboxed Pac, but gotten robbed by the judges.

So JMM invested differebtly by sitting on his punches, and compromising his speed over power. It worked for him like MAGIC! But he made it happen, it didn't just happen.

I'm sure he knew he would get hit more, and obvious he knew he would be more stationary and slower, because he prepared for a KO, not to outbox him... Outboxing pac was completely out of the question as he knew and felt he would never get a fair decision over pac.

JMM imo looked amazing the entire fight to me because I understood what he was doing. FFS he KD Pac in the third!!! When was the last time Pac was KD like that?

 

Sensible thread - more delusional nuthuggers of the PED cheating peepee man exposed.

 

I don't know...he looked pretty good right here...

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I can't stop watching this...that was a helluva shot. Jesus Christ. Look how Pac's head snapped back. That was literally a head on collision. Marquez put all 140+ of his pounds into that shot. That is what separates it from the other numerous times he countered Pac. This time, he was able to get 100% leverage, all because of how well he knew Pacquiao. Jab, jab, straight left from Pac. Marquez knew exactly what he was about to do and where to place the punch, a la Sergio vs Paul.

They've shown just about every angle of this ko, except from directly from the front. That's what I want to see. It would be interesting to see how Manny's face looked as he went down.

 

I'm sure JMM has been around long enough to know anything can happen... Who expected Katsidis to drop him with a single punch?

**** happens, but he won broken nose and all because he was mentally and strategically prepared. He knew what plan to execute and he followed it to the T and got the result he KNEW he would get... JMM is a badass! broken nose and all.

 

This.

JMM knew he couldn't win on points, since he got robbed twice before. He HAD to go for the KO, which meant inviting Pac to throw & then countering.

This tactic had the added advantage of conserving energy, which is important at Juan's age.

It was perfect.

 

Juan took a very big gamble fighting like did this past Saturday and in some points in the fight, in particular the 5th and 6th rounds, it looked like it was a gamble he was about to lose and then BOOM, with about 2 seconds remainding in the round, he hits the jackpot.

 

Good point.

That probably contributed to Pac's hands being slightly low when Juan delivered the final coup de gras.

 

It was a helluva shot, but you can clearly see from that vid how the clash of feat just prior to the punch made it as devastating as it was. There are better angles.

 

On reflection,I don't know if Juanma could've sustained that gameplan late on,given his snib was broken,which only highlights how brilliantly effective his strategy was.

It only gets more awe-inspiring as time goes on.It was a phenomenally risky strategy to employ.

 

I have been saying this repeatedly during the fight and since its conclusion (Michigan Warrior has to his credit as well).

Marquez threw plenty of body-shots in the 3rd round this was not an inclusion. An inclusion was the uppercut on the inside which he threw to counter Pac's aggression. The HBO telecast completely missed that shot but a still image can be found of that shot. Marquez generally only used the uppercut to catch Pac off guard as a method to unpredictably lead when Pac became overly stationary.

Marquez generally looked slow and was pushing his shots. But he obviously had enough speed and explosion when it came to the knockdown and that incredible KO. While Marquez might have gotten older or bulkier, I think Pac looked just about as good as he has in long time. He was fighting a nearly perfect fight.

 

I am so sick of this foot bull****. Feet had NOTHING to do with it.

 

:happy Love it!

 

And an oft-missed opportunity,as many people seem to have forgotten that pre-superstardom,Pac was vulnerable to the body.

 

u r right, he wasnt that good. he was brilliant