Pacquaio and his camp would be the biggest hypocrites in the world to ask Marquez to take a PED test lol.
PEDs didn't develop his power overnight, he has been with Angel for a year now or more, since the 3rd Marquez/Manny fight. Marquez didn't look like he was triing from his work at all, he was tiring because his nose was broken and had blood most likely blocking his breating. Tarver didn't follow Roy up from WW in the span of 3 years to with his KO power rising through the weight classes. Tarver also never was in a situation where as they rose through the weightclasses as pros and fought each other than he was never able to actually hurt Roy the level that he did in the 2nd fight and KO him on a punch he regularly lands on him. No one said Marquez doesn't have skill, the only thing I say is Marquez had help of the chemical kind in putting on mass to function at 147.
Pacman has been on the end of a bitter steroids slur campaign for 2 years. Add to that, his body didn't look half as bulked as like JMM.
I honestly do not understand the people that are so amazed by JMMs physique, if you compare him to when he fought floyd. He was about the same weight except a few pounds flabbier. ANYBODY at almost any age can lose 4 or 5lb of fat in a month without the help of a professional and gain those lbs back in muscle in another maybe 2 if you have bad genetics. Especially when you are new to weightlifting and you still get the newbie gains. If he was on PEDs or not who knows but the physique he got is incredibly easy to attain for someone with the slightest bit of dedication.
You're right that it's hard to gain weight while doing cardio, but Marquez wasn't trying to specifically gain weight, he was training to gain strength and some hypertrophy goes along with that. It's called periodisation, every strength and conditioning coach has a periodised plan so strength gains are made when there isn't a focus on cardio. Marquez didn't put on much weight and came into the ring lighter than Manny. If you start a proper strength program at any stage of life you will see massive gains if you haven't already been training in the same way. The changes are in the nervous system primarily. I don't believe that Pac or Marquez use or have ever used peds, unlike the majority I actually understand a bit about the topic and I truly believe their success in moving up was due to their strength and conditioning coaches programs. It's not new, we saw Hopkins against Tarver put on muscle and look rejuvenated, Spinks etc. See this thread for an explanation how strength training improves boxing power: [url]http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=447980[/url]
PEDs do develop rather quickly, which is why they're banned in the first place. As time goes the only difference is that your body gets used to it and over-performs at a situated calculated pace. Remember the story when the Americans in the Olympics suckered the Russian head trainer into over-drinking and admitting PED use during his visit shortly before the olympics started? Didn't the Americans immediately counter that right after the Russian trainer's admission to overcome their rivals as quickly as possible? That should be a good enough example of how fast these drugs kick in even when used on different people/genetics. That's when PEDs kick in. When in a situation like that you would easily notice abnormal physical recovery, if anything Marquez was wobbly and stayed wobbly throughout the 5th till the bell rang. Hardly any signs of serious PEDs there. Tarver stunned Roy numerous times in the first fight as he had him cornered, he even landed some singular clean shots in the middle of the ring that forced Jones to the corner. Still that doesn't answer any of what I posted. As I previously stated, Marquez didn't display any supernatural new stuff we, as boxing fans, haven't seen before. One punch KOs happen in the sport, it's just a part of it. Martinez did it, Tarver did it, Iran Barkley did it against Hearns and the examples are all over. Doubtful. If he wanted some chemical help to compete at 147 he would have done it for Mayweather and the third Pacquiao fight. Fact is, he was getting dominated in the 4th fight till he landed that shot which finished it. His training camp dedicating itself to power punching, Marquez' specializing counter punching over the years and Pacquiao's reckless approach are behind this, NOT PEDs.
I think anyone involved with Heredia/Hernandez should be observed with the highest levels of scrutiny. That said, until it's proven otherwise, we should probably keep everything at a speculation level and not go on a witch hunt.
PEDs develop quickly and I"m sure in a large time frame they also have effectiveness and will generate optimal results even better than short term doping. PEDs don't suddenly kick in if your nose is broken, that makes no sense on its face to even type that. REcovery time also makes no sense, no PED will give you a better chin or quicker ability to recover from a concussive hit. Tarver could have done anything he wanted to in the first fight, it does nothing to address how the situations between Tarver and Roy simply aren't the same as between Marquez and Manny and how both of them rose through the ranks. The fight with Floyd was his first 147 fight, he did it the way he traditionally did his training and saw very clearly that 147 is not a division he could compete in. He then teamed up with Angel to fight Manny in the 3rd fight and that is where I believed he started doping in earnest.
BUT, he passed the tests just like PEDCquiao! It has to be all god-given talent. You can't cheat boxing tests OR has Floyd been right all this time?