Personally, I think this is inherent of the amateur/olympic scoring model that has been in place for a while. I'd be interested to know see if there is a direct correlation to that scoring system coming in (around '92 I think) to pro's finishing prowess/aggression. I'm speculating at this point, but it would make sense to me if that was the reason (or at least one of many). If you spend ten years as an am simply trying to land rather than trying to get your opponent out of there then that will be a hard habit to break and you may not necessarily realise you even need to work on that skill until later in your pro career.
Just found this thread and recently I've decided I'm going to go to a gym for the first time in a few months after mullering over it, just trying to get a fitness base for now, but this thread will give me plenty of studying material! :deal :bbb
Let's talk Veteran moves, Those dirty tactics so to speak :yep. Notice anything here? :yep. This content is protected
They both did it constantly in the 2nd and 3rd fights. Getting the outside position is key to both, especially Pacquiao, so Marquez does all he can to keep him from getting it.
He got revenge on him cos the KD for Pac, Manny did same thing. It's a move that gets pulled up 9 times out of 10 but doesn't in there fights. Am's do it a fair bit when they've gained a bit of experience. Paddy totally agree with your post BTW :good.
Marquez is a smart old man. Losts of fighters have their little 'tricks'. Barrera used to borderline go low and then hit you with combinations whilst you were distracted or looked at the ref. Ali would grab opponents neck so they couldn’t infight, Hopkins and Frazier beat on opponents hips, Trinidad shouldered you and then threw a wicked right hand, some fighters hit on the blindside of the ref, Andre Ward blindfolds his opponents with his lead hand. There is a difference between being outright dirty and being tricky though. Eusebio Pedroza for example was outright dirty, Abner Mares is a dirty bugger today. I don't think Marquez did that purposely, it's just one of those things that happens with the styles of both guys and the way they come together. Marquez is just a smarter fighter, Manny's physical gifts give him problems but Marquez' positioning is so much better. They should have studied the film and done the same thing back to Marquez. If i thought someone was being dirty against my fighter, i would advise them to do the same thing back, don't overlook any indiscretion. Anything a fighter does to you, you can do to them.
Mayweather's tactic of leaving the forearm/elbow raised against Hatton is another example. Because Hatton was rushing in all the time he was basically taking two right hands every time one landed - the punch and then whatever was behind it, which also had the added bonus (if you're Floyd) of blocking the left hand that was generally incoming.
The 3rd fight as BB said JMM did it numerous times, Manny did it back in 4th but Juan got the last laugh :yep. Mares is a horrible fighter, dirty with the elbow as well as going low. There's no subtle about it either..
Yep there's a vid where he talks shop with Smitty and shows the little hip shots and shots to middrift on inside and blindside of ref.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqcrmP6HbI4&feature=player_embedded[/ame] Use have probably seen this before but Marquez sparring for the 4th fight, lands the same punch on a sparring partner. 34 seconds mark.
I think Holyfield's reputation as a dirty fighter (something Ive read a lot on ESB) is largely undeserved. He was very streetwise & well versed in the dark arts but never went out of his way to fight a dirty fight. Holy just wouldnt let anyone intimidate him & if anyone tried to rough him up by foul means he would respond in kind.