Cards as of the stoppage in Pacquiao vs. Marquez IV

1 Pacquiao 10-9
2 Pacquiao 10-9
3 Marquez 10-8
4 Marquez 10-9
5 Pacquiao 10-8

Marquez 46-47 Pacquiao

The three judges had the right score, although JMM would have took the 6th 10-8 to take the lead if it was just a knockdown.

 

Completely agree. Marquez could match Pac for quality, but he wasn't active enough to take the rounds.

 

Rd 1 Pac 10-9
Rd 2 Pac 10-9
Rd 3 JMM 10-8
Rd 4 JMM 10-9
Rd 5 Pac 10-9


Rd 6 JMM KO

(Pac won the first 2:59 of Rd 6, for all that matters.)

 

Bull****. Pac won the majority of the round and it was definitely his until
he got KTFO but even with a "broken" nose JMM had some decent moments.

 

Then, .64312% of the time, only the amount of funk as was in the dance of Miss Virgo of Carl Carlton's Bad Mama Jama video. No disrespect.

 

Bottom line, this was shaping up to be Pacquiao's most domineering performance over Marquez - he had figured out how to fight him especially after the 3rd round KO where he was on a mission. His keenness to prove that he was still a KO artist coupled with him once again underestimating what Marquez is like with his back to the wall was his undoing

 

Nope thats not the bottom line. The bottom line is that Marquez' training was geered more to win by KO. He threw less but his shots were heavier than they were the previous three fights.

Unfortunately for Pacquiao, the judging of the past three fights forced Marquez' hand!

*******s in the first few fights have always claimed that Marquez lost because he kissed canvas. Marquez literally made Pacquiao do just that in this fourth fight.

Devine justice as Marquez himself called it was so ironic as Pacquiao' lips were literally kissing canvas!!!!:deal

 

Exactly! Marquez though losing that 6th was landing heavy himself even before the KO punch!

 

Clearly you're very anti-Pacquiao LOL
The position Pacquiao put himself in was a gift boxers don't get very often, he missed, stumbled forward at the perfect height for Marquez to pull the trigger. All Marquez was doing at that point was survival, taking punishment and by his own admission, trying to not go down as he said himself he felt Pacquiao could have KO'd him at any point.

The punch was brilliantly executed, don't get me wrong but even if he hadn't trained for the KO, he still would have KO'd him in that situation, most boxers would have! Pacquiao got very careless...please stop making out it was the most ridiculously orchestrtated move ever, it wasn't...it was golden, rare opportunity in the nick of time which Marquez took very well

Please get over your *******s thing, you show your age. Assess boxing as you see it, not as if it's some sweet revenge over what you call *******s atsch

 

Man up and debate me on the merits of the round.

Marquez was landing some heavy shots to both the head and body in that 6th well before the KO punch came.
Pacquiao was winning the round yes, but it was not an all Pacquiao round.
Go back and watch it, especially the last minute or so, Marquez actually lands the more punishing shots in that last minute.
Just a few seconds before the ending, Marquez had shook Pacquiao up with a similar right hand.

Take this into account also. In a fight with knockdowns like that the tide turns at the drop of a dime.
Round 5 was a big Pacquiao round, a round in which he exherted alot of energy to get Marquez out of there.
Pacquiao knowing he had Marquez on unsteady legs in the 5th, came out strong again in the 6th, but those shots did not shake Marquez up as the shot that hurt him in the 5th.

My point is that throughout the whole 5 and most of the 6th, Pacquiao expended alot of energy to dispose of Marquez. So much energy that Marquez had begun to turn the tide just a tad back in his favor the last minute of the 6th.

What do you think happens to a fighter that expends alot of energy trying to take somebody out but does'nt accomplish it????

Yeah, thats right, they fatigue. They fatigue enough that their sharpness decreases and they make mistakes and throw lazy shots.

Bursts of energy fatigue a fighter into not focusing correctly and throwing lazy shots. That may have been what happened to Pacquiao toward the end of that round, that compounded by the fact that Marquez had invested a good ammount of his punches to Pacquiao's midsection.

In a firefight, a figher exherts energy and tires, the other fighter now comes on.........during one of those shifts of momentum, Marquez made Pacquiao walk to him and BOOM!

























































WELCOME TO THE SIDE OF DARKNESS! :deal

 

I'm always up for debating these things as long as there's no *******s rubbish, i'm neither, I call it as I see it. I have huge admiration for both boxers, in fact their 4 fights outside of Morales fights with Barrera and Pac have been some of my favourites ever.

Here's the facts. Pacquiao landed more shots than Marquez in every round, including round 4 which many gave to Marquez, and including round 3. When someone lands 2 punches as the aggressor, and the other counters with 1 punch then the aggressor wins the tussle - many like to give the counter puncher the credit out of some snobbery.

In round 5 Pacquiao landed almost 3 times the number of punches with over half of those thrown landing, Marquez was getting butchered. In round 6 Marquez was against the ropes taking shots. You talk about expending energy - dude, Marquez could barely breathe, his nose was broken and 1 more punch there would have finished him. Pacquiao was all over him, showed no signs of fatigue whatsoever - what fight were you seeing? Marquez' corner were even considering throwing it in, that's how badly Marquez was suffering as his broken nose was clogged up with blood. With 3 seconds left of round 6 Pacquiao was on top in terms of winning the round and in terms of how both fighters looked physically.

Please be real - Pacquiao expended a lot more energy in previous fights with Marquez than he did in this one, he was quick on his feet, his movement was excellent and he looked better than he had done in years. It's a lot harder taking punishment than landing shots consistently, both physically and mentally. They said Pacquiao suffered zero cramps this time and you can tell his movement was better than it had been since the Cotto fight

 

All correct, although i think Marquez was genuinely hurt in the 4th.