The all things technical thread.

Haven't read the rest yet but no, no, no and no. He was not the champion! He won a vacant strap. He was not the consensus no.1 until Sanchez died.

As for Gomez, not a good feather IMO, Pedroza would've sparked him. And as for how good Pedroza was, I've already said; massive fan. As for his earlier losses, I uploaded Zamora starching him (no shame there) Eusebio was a weight drained pup.

But my opening reply is why we disagree; he was not the legit' champ' so a lot of his defences mean absolutely zilch.

You seen the Lujan fight? Absolutely brilliant fun, but against a past prime bantamweight. Pedroza was past his best as well don't get me wrong, but Lujan was not a 'proper' featherweight contender and he hit Pedroza **** loads. Still, Lujan, and fellow Panamanian Carrasquilla, are decent wins, as is Spider Nemoto, an ickle awkward ******* (who Marcel had beaten prior, in fact was the only man to stop him).

Marcel; better calibre of wins, better operator. No doubt in my mind. But as I have him at around no.4 or 5 there might be more dispute there. You HAVE to watch Marcel Vs Antonio Gomez, a brilliant boxer of the 60s, and as this is the technical thread watch Gomez Vs Shozo Saijo; Gomez is a phenom! Held wins over DeJesus and Cervantes as well, both pre-prime admittedly. Marcel dismantles him. Marcel should've unified but was robbed against Shibata, which I also have, and beat Arguello, gave a young Duran serious hassle, never stopped, retired as champ' etc etc now that is a Panamanian featherweight champ# that's underrated!

I guess 6 or 7 is more than fair for Pedroza (I used to have him higher) but personally, not for some of the reasons you're stating.

But, as it's you (someone I consider a pal) and it's your critera bigging up one of my faves; I can't really complain

 

Also Slip, very interested to hear your take on the Taylor fight; do you not think Taylor's negative showing there was very indicative of the athletic types you get nowadays, like Dirrell? Made Pedroza look horrendous, very horrible fight where a draw was almost justified because of it.

 

You'll love it Slip :goodHunter is working on several different things with Khan.

In the 1st bit he's talking about movement & controlling the ring, how Khan should position himself to stay away from the ropes, out of harms way & off the direct line of fire. He's just schooling Khan on basic ring generalship, something he needs to work on because he's still going left when he should be turning right & vice versa.

The 2nd part he has Khan in close & making him slip, he's standing on Khan's lead foot to prevent him hopping away & encourage him to turn rather than pull straight back. Hunter is making sure he stays low & working on his footwork, the emphasis is to set his feet 1st & assume the correct stance before letting his hands go.

Also, as well as the blocking you mentioned in an earlier post he's got Khan using his left hand to deflect/parry shots & as a distraction to set up the right. Sadly they didnt show the sparring with Angulo but from Hunter's comments you can hear Khan is still reverting to form when under pressure, which is to be expected at this early stage.

I'm sure there's a lot more in there you'll pick up on, just my thoughts :good

 

Agree 100% :good

 

That right hand to the body is exactly the same as Luis Manuel Rodriguez's.

Remember the day I saw that. Only a brief glimpse but what it shows us is Holman stepping back and off to the side to avoid a blow. That's all we need to know :yep

Class act.

Another thing to add to your summary of him is that he is one of the first people to teach a young Joe Louis a few bits and pieces!

 

No, Khan is a canary inside a human body.

 

Does anyone see similarities in the styles of Degale and Bute? I think they're are quite a few.

Obviously both are southpaws are primarily counter punchers. They each throw decent uppercuts which are one of their strongest weapons and although Bute's is a little sharper and more frequent, I think they both neglect the jab. You see more single punches than combinations from the pair of them and they ahve that similar crouched down style of stance, waiting for their opponent to commit. I also think a negative point for both is the ease with which they get backed up onto the ropes because it's a weak area for both.

Obviously, they're not carbon copies of each other but there is a likeness in their styles I feel. Bute is the better body puncher of the two and carries more power without doubt but I'd say James is slightly the better fighter when putting combinations together.

 

David Haye's finishing capabilities seem abit poor in some fights. He seems too get excited, and throws too many wild shots. Once you have a fighter hurt, i am a fan of accurate punches, for ****s sake step back and throw some straight punches. For me David Haye could of finished Wladimir Kiltschko in the 12th round of their fight, or at-least of put him in serious trouble . Its not a technical thing with David Haye it's more his temperament.

He's chooses the wrong shots for certain situations, its all about making the right choices at the right times.

1Hr 30sec mark, he has Wladimir Kiltschko hurt! But what the **** is he doing in that clinch..? You have to capitalises on these type of moments. Nigel Benn would of just kept twating Wladimir Kiltscko on the back of the head, if he gets a warning..? so what.

The damage would of been done.

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Even though David Haye in my opinion was ****ed during this fight. Them cortisone injections, clearly affected him! Too much of that **** was circulating him his blood stream.

Round 4 was a decent round from David Haye, when he decided to throw his jab. One of the biggest technical mistakes David Haye made against Wladimir Kiltscko was not to throw his jab with bad intention enough. Who gives a **** that somebody is 6"6 and has a bigger reach, if you don't throw your own jab..? Your only going to encourage the other fighter to throw theirs. Wladimir Kiltschko was detered slightly in throwing his own jab, just from afew Hayemaker jabs with intent.

David Haye in general, never throws his ****ung jab with intention. Even against Derek Chisora it was pathetic.

1hour mark of this video, is round 4.

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