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John Conteh vs Victor Galindez

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Conteh ! Victor had so many very Close Scrapes against fighters that could keep him working, Kates (x2) Gregory and Yaqui Lopez (x2) that the Pre-Hand Trouble/Managerial Trouble Conteh would i feel have to be Favoured,

A Good Jab and a bit of mobility could lull victor into Coasting and Conserving and looking to steal the Fight with some late pressure, many people actually only remember the faded, unaggressive, minus right hand Conteh - and that Conteh Still had the Boxing Ability to Jab Yaqui Lopez Silly and Win Very Clearly when compared to the close/wars Yaqui Gave Galindez x2 and Saad x2, Spinks, Scott and the upset of Rossman - so no mean feat ! ) the Faded John was also Good Enough to Beat but get Robbed against Parlov in Belgrade, and Become Saad's only Title defense to go to points in a Hard fought and Classy Encounter ! - the point being This was a faded/distracted Conteh - the earlier two handed Conteh had a real spite and venom to accompany his classy moves, Wonderful Stamina and Power in each hand, Also Conteh was even better then Holyfield at er...having his head in the most advantageous Position when up close, as Messrs Drover, Finnegan, Bennett, Hutchins and Saad would attest, (and their faces did !)not a good omen for a bleeder

Style wise the nearest Victor got to Conteh was Richie Kates who took him to the Brink Twice, But Richie i'm afraid did not come anywhere near an (approaching peak) Conteh for spite, actually classily administered spite, as Conteh, Sadly for Victor, wouldnt just rush in and walk onto a Counter, but would use his usual cultured approach, until slipping up close, where i think his head, connecting whilst unloading slashing combo's, will certainly raise a cut or two, and John would set about exploiting it to the full, from long range for awhile if Conteh felt Victor was playing possum.. patient man was John on occasion

for a man built like a bull it is rather interesting to see Victor Back off, from proctracted exchanges, seek to slow down the pace, and yet when he felt ready, unload hard, fast, withering Combo's which could suddenly swing the fight his way in an instant, Victor liked constants to work around, a constant mover he would usually track-to-whack, constant aggressors he was probably gratefull for not having to go looking, but someone like Conteh can do both, and change mode instantly,...

I can see Conteh feeling his way into the bout, with his Napoles smooth boxing ability, but as victor tries to assert himself with a few of his Sporadic Flurries Conteh will Lash Back, he will not be cautious and lack commitment Like Gregory ! Heads will bump up close so the initial damage may be done in a not altogether sporting manner, But John Stays ahead on the Scorecards and his Fitness allows him to deal with Victors more random and desperate charges, as we get to the Last third Conteh Raises the Pace still further, but as stated not foolishly, he knows Victor will be looking spring a late trap like he did on kates, but John's wonderful Jab and Double Jab would make a target Of Victors cut/s, i can see a cuts stoppage for John Approx 12th, if Conteh turns "Jungle Cat" as one paper described him going after a cut Finnegan, however John may be under strict corner instructions to stick with the safer winning formula of the points victory, certainly if Victor allows himself to be kept on the end of the Jab as he did against Rossman, John would be home and dry, but this is a Prime Victor, so it would never be that easy, even allowing for John being much better than Rossman, but whether Points or Late Stoppage for John, I cant help feeling that some controversy would abound concerning the cause of Victors cuts, and their ultimate effect on his gameplan going in..with Victor and his camp shouting long and hard, perhaps with some hint of justification, but not to the degree of altering the result.

The Earlier Conteh who Cut Finnegan and Bennett to Pieces and Hammered Hutchins - this Conteh had the blend of Speed Power and a Menevolent Attitude the Later Conteh Didnt.i think this Conteh takes it.
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Great post!

AlFrancis, Dec 15, 2012

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Galindez at his best would decision Conteh at his best. Galindez is persistantly underrated by many as just being a crude banger. he was nothing of the sort. He had superb counterpunching ability and was clever, strong and resiliant. Plus he was stronger and more durable than Conteh. True Conteh beat Yaqui Lopez with one hand and Rossman did a number on Victor in their first bout, but remember, Galindez was not Lopez, and he was past it when rossman beat him, and he avenged that defeat. Ahumada was a test for Conteh...Galindez was superior to Jorge Ahumada and would have been able to beat the talented Mr. Conteh.

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I like Victor to rally in the championship rounds for a close but clean decision.

Saintpat, Dec 15, 2012

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conteh, probably on cuts

turpinr, Dec 16, 2012

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turpinr said: ↑

conteh, probably on cuts
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Where you been Larry, you still on FB?

AlFrancis, Dec 16, 2012

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red cobra said: ↑

Galindez at his best would decision Conteh at his best. Galindez is persistantly underrated by many as just being a crude banger. he was nothing of the sort. He had superb counterpunching ability and was clever, strong and resiliant. Plus he was stronger and more durable than Conteh. True Conteh beat Yaqui Lopez with one hand and Rossman did a number on Victor in their first bout, but remember, Galindez was not Lopez, and he was past it when rossman beat him, and he avenged that defeat. Ahumada was a test for Conteh...Galindez was superior to Jorge Ahumada and would have been able to beat the talented Mr. Conteh.
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Galindez was also dissimilar by Ahumada going by your 'Galindez is not Looez' reasoning.

And who in the world says Galindez is a 'crude banger'?!?

Flea Man, Dec 16, 2012

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Flea Man said: ↑

Galindez was also dissimilar by Ahumada going by your 'Galindez is not Looez' reasoning.

And who in the world says Galindez is a 'crude banger'?!?
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Of course, Galindez was stronger than Ahumada...and featured a bettter left hook...a harder one that is, and he could turn it on from time to time and revert to the same style he used to overwhelm Len Hutchins for the WBA crown in '74.
And to answer your second question, that previously mentioned Hutchins fight and Victor's very caveman like appearance caused many back in the 70's to equate him with that savage, brawling type of style...and I know, because I was around back then. Galindez then surprised everyone, beginning with his first defense, with a new style. Counterpunching, back against the ropes, and tending to go for points rather than seeking the ko. He was a master of going the 15 round distance, and was a good ring general with endless stamina.

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I still maintain that Galindez was the more proven lightheavy champ and more durable than Conteh..I liked Conteh, but I don't think he had the best chin. I see a counter shot out of the blue putting John down for a kd much like what happened to Eddie Mustafa.

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red cobra said: ↑

I still maintain that Galindez was the more proven lightheavy champ and more durable than Conteh..I liked Conteh, but I don't think he had the best chin. I see a counter shot out of the blue putting John down for a kd much like what happened to Eddie Mustafa.
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I don't think Conteh displayed any chin fragility at all until late in his career against Saad Mohammad. He was on a big downward spiral outside of the ring by then.

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Read Area 53s post,was going to say how much I enjoyed it but Al beat me to it.The Conteh I saw beat Les Stevens at the Albert Hall for me would beat Galindez,also the boxer who beat Finnegan Ahumada and made some good defences.At the time he was calling for Foster,I think hed have beat him.But Galindez was at the top for longer,I think,and would have beat John handily in his decline.

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Galindez would be "up" for a fight of the magnitude of John Conteh, like when he was way past his peak, he got "up" for that rematch with Rossman and the old fire was back. Victor was very dangerous with his very fast counters.

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I watched all of Galendez And Contehs televised bouts. Never impressed by Conteh. Not super active...never seemed to put his all into any bout. Galendez was very tricky in there, great will to win, strong and had very good power. Galendez by U decision or late stoppage.

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I like Galindez by UD...Galindez would come on stronger down the stretch of the fight.

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HOUDINI said: ↑

I watched all of Galendez And Contehs televised bouts. Never impressed by Conteh. Not super active...never seemed to put his all into any bout. Galendez was very tricky in there, great will to win, strong and had very good power. Galendez by U decision or late stoppage.
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I can only assume you were getting Conteh mixed up with someone else.

ron u.k., Dec 17, 2012

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ron u.k. said: ↑

I can only assume you were getting Conteh mixed up with someone else.
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Agreed. Hardly coasted with one hand against Lopez. Dug in to the body late on away from home against Parlov. Battered Schmidtke.

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